God IS Pouring Out His Spirit Upon ALL Flesh--Not Just Oneness Flesh

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

Excuss? I personally sought the HG baptism for 3, almost 4 months sincerely.
And there can be a tremendous amount of stress put on an individual while praying for the Holy Ghost. This is far from an excuss. I never faked it but God filled with in my car and now that car is bless forever.

I am guilty for putting stress upon a person to the point where they start doing abnormal things.

I was told to say hallelujah REALLY fast multiples times! Do you understand that even that will twist your tongue and sure enough that might just cause you to speak in tongues! lol

Keep saying hallelujah, halleljuah.......more, more, more, more.
BOOOMMMMMMMM tongues!

I received the Holy Spirit in my apartment, but I suppose there may be pressure if someone is yelling in your ears or telling you to say words fast! Do you think your experience is the norm?

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I received the Holy Spirit in my apartment, but I suppose there may be pressure if someone is yelling in your ears or telling you to say words fast! Do you think your experience is the norm?

I know many people probably have had similar experiences and I have heard from a few that it is really distracting and then always try to tell you to do certain things and most often they feel uncomfortable.

I will say that I got the HG in all comfort and very fast. I leaned my car seat back and then said one sentence and starting speaking in another language. You know what was funny? I wasn't even trying to get it! It kind of shocked me and it wasn't really as powerful experience as confessing sin or being bapitzed. But I have heard from others the opposit. I did notice though- more power in prayer after receiving it. I prayed for someone and even prophesied a few times very early on.

It's just when I read the word of God in the examples that are given the Holy Ghost was freely given and not coached into. It seems more immediate. When God poured it, BOOM 120 or so got it. Muliple times we see that everyone got it at the same time. Not they prayed one person through and then prayed another person through. You know what I mean?

[acharris]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Interesting point.

Many people who go to "pentecostal" or charismatic churches are not Spirit-filled. For example, a survey of Asemblies of God "new converts" over a 10 year period showed that only 25% of them got baptized and only 20% received the Holy Ghost.

The AG's own Superintendent has said "If we continue this trend, in 10 years, we will have a very small percentage of Pentecostals in the Assemblies of God."

Theres a link to the survey... HERE.

The percentage of true "Spirit filled" people in Charismatic and Trinitarian Pentecostal churches is much lower than in Apostolic churches.


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What is the percentage in the UPC? Can you give me a link to a survey in your organization?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by acharris

What is the percentage in the UPC? Can you give me a link to a survey in your organization?

What percentage of new converts in the UPC are baptized and filled?

Well, I'd say the the short answer would simply be "100%", just logically speaking.

The reason is simple.

Keep in mind one thing: The AG and the UPC tabulate their numbers of members and new converts very differently, based on their doctrinal differences to begin with. So the numbers would be like comparing apples to oranges in a sense.

The AG teaches that one is saved by simply repenting and "receiving Jesus". The UPC teaches that such repentance is just the first step. So a person isn't regarded as a new convert in the UPC until they've repented, gotten baptized, and got filled with the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues.

There may be some exceptions somewhere, but as far as I know, local UPC churches don't add the person to their membership numbers unless they're saved according to Acts 2:38. (i.e. baptized and filled)

Therefore, the present UPCI estimate of 4,036,945 worldwide members would consists of people who have repented, and gotten baptized & Holy Ghost filled.

Hope that helps, somewhat.

Check this link if u like: http://www.upci.org/about.asp


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[nwlife]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Good grief.

Tell me what common "man made traditions" you know of in the Apostolic movement that are on par with the ones I mentioned (baptizing in the titles instead of the name... and praying to Mary)


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How about the requirement that men have to remove a hat inorder to pray...

[Apprehended]

I haven't read the thread but from the title, I have a question...

Can it truly be the REAL Holy Ghost since according to Acts 5:32, God gives the Holy Ghost to them that OBEY Him. If obedience is considered to be immersion in water in the name of Jesus, can it be said that the Trinitarians cannot possibly receive the Holy Ghost? Or, could it possibly be that we might ought to redifine our traditional interpretation to Acts 2:38?

Just a question.

[Joelel]

Those who say they are of God is going to deceive the world with their miracles.Rev.13:[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
[12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Math.7:13: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15: Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16: Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17: Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18: A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19: Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20: Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity

[StMark]

The AoG churches only have baptismal services once and year
and set times during the course of the year when a person can recieve the holy ghost mostly in a weekly "how to' class. It's not encouraged openly in many of their churches

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Tell me what common "man made traditions" you know of in the Apostolic movement that are on par with the ones I mentioned (baptizing in the titles instead of the name... and praying to Mary)
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Originally Posted by nwlife

How about the requirement that men have to remove a hat inorder to pray...

Good grief. Is that the best you can come up with? Please.
You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel here aren't you?

First of all, I don't know about "requiring men to remove their hat in order to pray". Never seen that specifically required "to pray". But I do know in apostolic churches men are expected not to have their hats on in the sanctuary or during church services. Big difference there. And that's a tradition, but A) its not doctrinal in nature a are the 2 practices I mentioned previously and B) its not in disobedience to any scripture!!. Besides, its a common "church tradition", not just apostolic churches.

But lets get serious here. You think asking men to take off their hats in church is on par with praying to Mary? Get real.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

I haven't read the thread but from the title, I have a question...

Can it truly be the REAL Holy Ghost since according to Acts 5:32, God gives the Holy Ghost to them that OBEY Him. If obedience is considered to be immersion in water in the name of Jesus, can it be said that the Trinitarians cannot possibly receive the Holy Ghost? Or, could it possibly be that we might ought to redifine our traditional interpretation to Acts 2:38?

Just a question.

I'd have to assume its the "REAL" Holy Ghost. Baptism in Jesus name is not a requirement to be fulfilled before receiving the the Holy Ghost. Repentance and faith are the requirements to receive the HG.

When a person cries out to God at an altar of repentance in an Apostolic church often they know little or nothing about baptism doctrine, Godhead doctrine, etc. If they're in an AoG church and cry out in repentance to God, they're in a similar situation. At this point of repentance, they could receive the [same] Holy Ghost in either church. The doctrinal details come afterward, but God still honors a person's repentance.

Besides, think of how many Trinitarian Pentecostal preachers have come to the knowledge of Jesus name baptism and Oneness doctrine years after receiving the HG. They simply submit to the proper doctrine and grow in God from that point on. God doesn't have to fill them with the "real" Holy Ghost afterward, if they already got it years back. The Holy Ghost they had before is the same one they continue to have after they come to the fullness of truth.


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