Agenda Driven or Accepting of Diversity?

CC1, do you preach walking around with your hand in your pocket? St. Mark says you do!

[PastorD]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

Unmistakable truth in that first statement... I sometimes enjoy threads like this (until they turn into battlegrounds) just because I want to know how others feel and what they think.
In reality, it's that first statement that makes each of us passionate about what we believe... we think we're right. The problem comes when we think our every particular spiritual discipline is beyond question by someone else who doesn't see it exactly our way.

Our knowing what each other thinks has never been the problem, IMO. It is repecting what each other thinks that gets us in trouble.

Originally Posted by PastorD

Our knowing what each other thinks has never been the problem, IMO. It is repecting what each other thinks that gets us in trouble.

I can agree with that.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by PastorD

Our knowing what each other thinks has never been the problem, IMO. It is repecting what each other thinks that gets us in trouble.

Or repeating what each other thinks that the other one thinks that gets us in trouble

[Rev]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

Okay, it’s almost ‘taboo’ to talk about but I’m going to give it a shot.

I am, by and large, a conservative to the core. I have friends who are both ‘conservative’ and ‘liberal’. Let me stress again that I do have friends that are much more liberal than I am.

I have NO problem with a man not seeing everything ‘eye to eye’ with me. I preach for people that aren’t close to the same page as I am ‘standard’ wise. Fortunately they trust my ministry and I respect their arena of pastoral authority.

I guess my real ‘breaking point’ is when there is a blatant disregard for biblical spiritual disciplines or a violation of the New Birth doctrine of repentance, baptism in Jesus Name and receiving the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

However, here is the premise of this thread: I don’t mind a man who may believe somewhat different ‘standard’ wise but I have very little regard for a person who is ‘agenda’ consumed… someone who has an agenda - making it their goal - to tear down what I hold precious.

I’m conservative and believe in biblical absolutes and an unwavering New Birth message. I resent those whose whole agenda is to tear away at my core beliefs.

And I, personally, think that most so called ‘liberal’ people feel the same way. Be their friend and fellowship on the areas you agree on… but they resent an ‘agenda’ driven person whose whole purpose is trying to convince them that they are a first cousin to Lucifer because of some variance in what they call 'standards' (I was once put in Hell for wearing short sleeves).

QUESTION: How ‘wide’ is your willingness to have friends who, while Apostolic, don’t believe exactly like you?

QUESTION: Who do you find the most ‘agenda’ driven... ‘cons’ or ‘libs’… and why do you think that is?

I think that your question is almost to much to try to answer here. But I was asking the Lord the other day and said "Lord who is my brother"?

Read these....

(Jude)12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
(Jude13) Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
(Jude14) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
(Jude 15) To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
(Jude16) These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.

(I Co 5:9) I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
(I Co 5:10) Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
(I Co 5:11) But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

So my question is - where do you (or I) draw the line?

[StMark]

S'fast,

CC has made it clear that he does not like Pentecostal style preaching.
Keith doesn't either. they wouldn't like your preacher Bruh

[Rev]

My bump so you will see this.

I think that your question is almost to much to try to answer here. But I was asking the Lord the other day and said "Lord who is my brother"?

Read these....

(Jude)12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
(Jude13) Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
(Jude14) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
(Jude 15) To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
(Jude16) These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.

(I Co 5:9) I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
(I Co 5:10) Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
(I Co 5:11) But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

So my question is - where do you (or I) draw the line?

[Pastor G]

I don't really think that most of either are agenda driven, I just think both sides take exception to being told they are wrong for having their beliefs...

That is like saying you are wrong for the way you feel... You can be wrong in what you do but not really in the way you feel..

I know some make fun of what the uc's believe, and some uc's attack what the so called libs believe..

Both sides should just understand they are not going to change each other and leave it alone... And thats what friends do that are at opposite ends of the spectrum..

[PastorD]

Originally Posted by Pastor G

I don't really think that most of either are agenda driven, I just think both sides take exception to being told they are wrong for having their beliefs...

That is like saying you are wrong for the way you feel... You can be wrong in what you do but not really in the way you feel..

I know some make fun of what the uc's believe, and some uc's attack what the so called libs believe..

Both sides should just understand they are not going to change each other and leave it alone... And thats what friends do that are at opposite ends of the spectrum..

No G! I will pray you thru if it's the last thing I do.

Originally Posted by StMark

S'fast,

CC has made it clear that he does not like Pentecostal style preaching.
Keith doesn't either. they wouldn't like your preacher Bruh

As to my style of preaching, StMark... I'm sorry, friend... it's WAY too late to teach this old dog new tricks when it comes to preaching. I guess it's all in the way you were 'branded'. Some of my most precious times was sitting in the pew listening to some of those priceless old black Bishops in Indianapolis... WOW... what preachers!

Let me see...

Bishop Morris Golder - or - J. Vernon McGee?

Bishop Morris Golder --- or --- J. Vernon McGee?

Bishop Morris Golder ------ or ------ J. Vernon McGee?

Break out the Golder CD's and let's have Church!

I like my preaching with a lot of principles and just as much passion!