The Pentecostals of ........(Arrogance)?

[acharris]

Originally Posted by pelathais

It seems to me that there's a "distinction without a difference" being made in this thread. Face it, if acharris were to appear in any of our meetings he would be the focus of evangelization because he has not (to my knowledge) fulfilled Acts 2:38. Thus, however nice we want to be toward him, his is lost according to the official Oneness Apostolic doctrine.

And so, as a "lost soul" according to our sotierology, he comes on to the board asking about what he percieves to be our "arrogance." As it turns out, the source of the alleged "arrogance" is one of our more well known "compromisers." For this reason, the more "conservative" among us rejoice, because some one "from the world" said something negative about one of their rivals. And they pat acharris on the back for not only being lost, but also for adding fuel to a fire that is burning in our house.

Of course the UPC doesn't teach "only the UPC is saved." There are too many folks that have been driven from the UPC that we'd like to have back. But we don't teach that the AoG in general is "saved" or part of the body of Christ, at least we don't teach that any longer. I dare anyone to try and say that members of the AoG are saved in any of our conferences. Submit an article to the Pentecostal Herald and see how far it gets.

Let's get to the meat of the issue here: Is acharris considered to be our "brother" in Christ? That would be a good measure of "arrogance." Do we assign this good man to the depths of hell for his "three-god monstrosity" and any other short comings that we care to make up?

He has received the baptism of the Holy Ghost but has not professed to being baptized in Jesus name. From his position, I think it's probably safe to say he believes in "one God, in three Persons..." - the Trinity!

So we try to be nice to him, but we avoid the overt issue. AFF's notorious "conservatives" are silent because they really don't like to engage with "outsiders."

For my part, the good brother acharris was saved the moment he first called upon Jesus Christ in faith. Any other judgement would be "arrogant."

But how about you? Where would you put a prominent AoG pastor?

I'm waiting.....

[acharris]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

If the good brother is not born again of the water and Spirit, the good brother is not going to enter the kingdom.

I would not be putting the good brother anywhere, the words of Jesus will put the good brother wherever he is going to go.

Because I understand the words of Jesus to mean a certain thing then to some I am less loving and open hearted than those who embrace a believer who has not received this truth the same way I have! Hmmmmm....who is judging whom?

So very, very sad....

I'm just glad my Heavenly Father has more sons and daughters than the UPC has brothers and sisters.

I love you anyway...and I DO accept you as my brother.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by acharris

I'm waiting.....

Have you obeyed the gospel?

Have you believed on the Lord Jesus Christ that He is the Son of God?

Have you repented of your sins?

Have you been baptized in Jesus name for the remission of your sins, having your sins washed away when you were baptized in His name?

I already know that you received the Holy Ghost according to your own testimony.

If you have done these things by faith, then you are my brother. If you haven't, I urge you to obey the commands of Peter in Acts 2:38.

Now please let the good brother tell me if I'm going to hell for not believing in the Trinity? Do I believe in another Jesus, acharris?

For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 2 Cor 11:4

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by acharris

So very, very sad....

I'm just glad my Heavenly Father has more sons and daughters than the UPC has brothers and sisters.

I love you anyway...and I DO accept you as my brother.

Who said I didn't believe you were a Christian?

I would be your sister.

The UPC is not the entire body of Christ.

[StMark]

I would safely say that 50% of the AGers believe we are lost and heretical

- I say it's about equal on either side

[acharris]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Who said I didn't believe you were a Christian?

I would be your sister.

The UPC is not the entire body of Christ.

You said I would not enter the Kingdom of God.

[acharris]

Originally Posted by StMark

I would safely say that 50% of the AGers believe we are lost and heretical

- I say it's about equal on either side

I have never heard an A/G preacher say that Oneness people are lost. I've heard them say, "Their heads may be wrong--but their hearts are right."

[StMark]

Originally Posted by acharris

I have never heard an A/G preacher say that Oneness people are lost. I've heard them say, "Their heads may be wrong--but their hearts are right."

well i've heard 'em say we serve another Jesus and eqauted us to the Moromns and JWs for not believeing in 3 gods

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by acharris

You said I would not enter the Kingdom of God.

Where did I say that?

[acharris]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Where did I say that?

Originally Posted by mizpeh
If the good brother is not born again of the water and Spirit, the good brother is not going to enter the kingdom.