God IS Pouring Out His Spirit Upon ALL Flesh--Not Just Oneness Flesh

[ChristopherHall]

Witches "speak in tongues". Glossolalia isn't unique to Christianity. It's a designation of possession among the cults. Many Voodoo practitioners also "speak in tongues." Tongues is a sign that is used in the realm of the spiritual to indicate spiritual possession or one's submission to a spirit. The doctrine and spiritual teaching of the "spirit" or "deity" involved will dictate which "spirit" or "deity" is behind the manifestation. When the truth is preached, the Holy Ghost is taking control. If false doctrine is being preached or witchcraft is being taught the tongues are of the devil and that spirit is taking control, a sort of "mimicking" the Holy Ghost's manifestation.

There are many universal principles and manifestations when dealing with the spirit-world. The unknowledgeable can be easily fooled if they do not understand the nature of the spiritual or spiritual activity and manifestation.

[Apprehended]

If your assumption is true jusxtaposed to Acts 5:32, NOT obeying the command of Peter in Acts 2:38 is NOT disobedience?

Houston, we have a problem!

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

If your assumption is true jusxtaposed to Acts 5:32, NOT obeying the command of Peter in Acts 2:38 is NOT disobedience?

Houston, we have a problem!

If you are assuming or implying that Trinitarians who profess to have been baptized with the Holy Ghost have instead received a demonic counterfeit... then you're fee to do so. I don't wish to join you in that assumption.

I'd be very careful about uttering such a statement, for reasons that should be obvious.


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[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

If you are assuming or implying that Trinitarians who profess to have been baptized with the Holy Ghost have instead received a demonic counterfeit... then you're fee to do so. I don't wish to join you in that assumption.

I'd be very careful about uttering such a statement, for reasons that should be obvious.


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You are jumping to conclusions. You should not assume things that are not stated. For a fact, my wife received the true baptism of the Holy Ghost in Central Assembly of God church.

Originally Posted by StMark

The AoG churches only have baptismal services once and year
and set times during the course of the year when a person can recieve the holy ghost mostly in a weekly "how to' class. It's not encouraged openly in many of their churches

??? Once a year baptismal services????

Have you ever been to an AOG church? I have and they had more than one baptismal service in a month.

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I'd have to assume its the "REAL" Holy Ghost. Baptism in Jesus name is not a requirement to be fulfilled before receiving the the Holy Ghost. Repentance and faith are the requirements to receive the HG.

When a person cries out to God at an altar of repentance in an Apostolic church often they know little or nothing about baptism doctrine, Godhead doctrine, etc. If they're in an AoG church and cry out in repentance to God, they're in a similar situation. At this point of repentance, they could receive the [same] Holy Ghost in either church. The doctrinal details come afterward, but God still honors a person's repentance.

Besides, think of how many Trinitarian Pentecostal preachers have come to the knowledge of Jesus name baptism and Oneness doctrine years after receiving the HG. They simply submit to the proper doctrine and grow in God from that point on. God doesn't have to fill them with the "real" Holy Ghost afterward, if they already got it years back. The Holy Ghost they had before is the same one they continue to have after they come to the fullness of truth.


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Then Peter should have said:

Repent and you can get the Holy Ghost or if you don't, get baptized in Jesus name and then get the Holy Ghost.

I guess there wasn't an order do it? Apparently God can fill you with the Holy Ghost without your sins remitted?

WOW!

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

Then Peter should have said:

Repent and you can get the Holy Ghost or if you don't, get baptized in Jesus name and then get the Holy Ghost.

I guess there wasn't an order do it? Apparently God can fill you with the Holy Ghost without your sins remitted?

WOW!

LOL....

The point I was leading up to is that we need a little deeper understanding of the scriptures, Acts 2:38 in particular.

Originally Posted by Apprehended

LOL....

The point I was leading up to is that we need a little deeper understanding of the scriptures, Acts 2:38 in particular.

So true!

If in fact you can get the Holy Ghost without being baptized in Jesus name everyone who believes this has to admit that Jesus forgives your sins/remits them before baptism since they say the Holy Ghost will not enter an unclean temple.

But even further than that- if a person fails to recognize in the Spirit that God forgives through confession they really are not very mature or sensitive to the Lord.

Even beyond that, post-baptism, if ones sins, we have scriptures that talk about if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. You see it's not in the water, but in the blood of Jesus Christ and how it's a miracle he can apply it to us 2,000 years after the Lamb of God sacrifice.

What do you think Apprehended?

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

So true!

If in fact you can get the Holy Ghost without being baptized in Jesus name everyone who believes this has to admit that Jesus forgives your sins/remits them before baptism since they say the Holy Ghost will not enter an unclean temple.

But even further than that- if a person fails to recognize in the Spirit that God forgives through confession they really are not very mature or sensitive to the Lord.

Even beyond that, post-baptism, if ones sins, we have scriptures that talk about if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. You see it's not in the water, but in the blood of Jesus Christ and how it's a miracle he can apply it to us 2,000 years after the Lamb of God sacrifice.

What do you think Apprehended?

In the Greek, the Word "forgive" is also interpreted as "remission." It is one and the same thing.

If someone ask God to forgive them, God is not going to give them the BAD NEWS, "Nope! I'm not going to forgive (remit) your sins, you low down rascal, I am going to continue to hold them against you and furthermore, I'm NOT going to cast them into the sea of forgetfullness." That is BAD news, usually propagated by inference by those whom have less than a full view of the Cross of Jesus which has been made alive effecatious by the resurrection.

Really, it is too bad that the Cross and the blood is not preached too much anymore. Where there is a dim revelation of its power to save, to heal and to empower for service, it is often neglected. That is the reason that I have often chided my own bretheren and fellowship for measuring the plumb line off the Acts and the Epistles rather than the Gospels...the Chief Cornerstone.

When there is a proper perspective of the Gospels, then a fuller, more rounded understanding of Jn 3:5/Acts 2:38 comes into focus after we become believers, following Jesus in the light a step at a time.

Instead of following Jesus as he leads us individually, one step at a time, we bcome cookie-cutter robots having a form of godliness only as robot soldiers whose spring has been fairly wound up and set loose upon the world. Hence, we become so THEOLOGICAL with very little of the life of the cross left in it.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

If your assumption is true jusxtaposed to Acts 5:32, NOT obeying the command of Peter in Acts 2:38 is NOT disobedience?

Houston, we have a problem!

Originally Posted by TRFrance

If you are assuming or implying that Trinitarians who profess to have been baptized with the Holy Ghost have instead received a demonic counterfeit... then you're free to do so. I don't wish to join you in that assumption.
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Originally Posted by Apprehended

You are jumping to conclusions. You should not assume things that are not stated. For a fact, my wife received the true baptism of the Holy Ghost in Central Assembly of God church.

Fine. If I'm jumping to conclusions, its only based on reading what you said. So make yourself clear then. It seemed clear that you were "going somewhere with your previous post, although you wouldn't say where you were going with that thought. I can only infer from what you yourself said.

Looking at the thread, the issue at hand, was whether or not Trinitarians had the "real" holy Ghost if they're not baptized in Jesus name. Someone previously was surmising that by not being in obedience to Acts 2:38, they are "in disobedience"...so could we really say they have the Holy Ghost since God gives it to those who obey him? My response to that post is already posted.

You then leave a somewhat cryptic-sounding post, as if to insist that they are in disobedience of Acts 2:38 and you referred to Acts 5:32 again (which says we receive the HG by being in obedience). What else would you be implying by stating "Houston, we have a problem" if we don't see/believe that?

The natural thought then, would be that you were implying that maybe they dont have the "real" Holy Ghost. If that's not what you were saying, fine... I reached the wrong conclusion.

You are correct by the way. I shouldn't assume things that are not clearly stated. I guess if you don't want to be misunderstood, you might want to state your point clearly, instead of just hinting at it.

So tell us clearly then... What did you mean in that post quoted above?