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[ChurchMouse]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Look for most independants to stay independant.

Look for about 1/3 (or more) of those that leave the UPCI over the "issue" to go independant.

Look for maybe 2/3 (or less) of the leaving UPCI men to join the Tulsa group.


These are my predictions.

"Gone Independent Here"

[Fab]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Look for most independants to stay independant.

Look for about 1/3 (or more) of those that leave the UPCI over the "issue" to go independant.

Look for maybe 2/3 (or less) of the leaving UPCI men to join the Tulsa group.

I assume you mean formally independent. Most of those in the UPC that you speak of have had an independent spirit for years.

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Fab

I assume you mean formally independent. Most of those in the UPC that you speak of have had an independent spirit for years.

True

I am an ind. UPC preacher.

[Consapostolic1]

The church I attend is independent and as far as I know has been independent since it was started about over 50? years ago. I do know that my pastor plans to attend the Tulsa meeting and hopefully join this group.

[Consapostolic1]

If our church joins this group I imagine that the churches that consider my pastor their elder will more than likely join the group as well.

[Thinking]

The church I attend is independent and as far as I know has been independent since it was started about over 50? years ago. I do know that my pastor plans to attend the Tulsa meeting and hopefully join this group.

After being independent for many years, and, through the years, given the existence of many oneness Pentecostal churches, what is it about this particular group that has caused your pastor to say he will more than likely join?

[The Dean]

I still say that we stand to lose up to 500 or so. I'm not suggesting that all of those will 'drop' the UPC but will simply pull out of UPC programs and fellowship those more aligned with their particular beliefs.

Overall, I think you'll see 350 to 400 drop their license. That may be a high estimate. But, as I said before, there will be many more who align themselves with the Tulsa group who will stay with the UPC and find fellowship with the Tulsa group.

[Thinking]

But, as I said before, there will be many more who align themselves with the Tulsa group who will stay with the UPC and find fellowship with the Tulsa group.

Why would they do that--in your opinion?

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by The Dean

I still say that we stand to lose up to 500 or so. I'm not suggesting that all of those will 'drop' the UPC but will simply pull out of UPC programs and fellowship those more aligned with their particular beliefs.

Overall, I think you'll see 350 to 400 drop their license. That may be a high estimate. But, as I said before, there will be many more who align themselves with the Tulsa group who will stay with the UPC and find fellowship with the Tulsa group.

From what I am hearing, the UPC is not going to allow their licensed folks to align with the Tulsa group. I hear there are already some threats from DS's over some wanting to go to Tulsa just to windowshop the meeting.

[Consapostolic1]

Originally Posted by Thinking

After being independent for many years, and, through the years, given the existence of many oneness Pentecostal churches, what is it about this particular group that has caused your pastor to say he will more than likely join?

My pastor came from the upc but since the church he took over wasn't upc he had to turned his license in. Many of the people that are associated with this group are my pastors close friends. Besides they'll probably have more things to get members of the church more active such as retreats, a general conference, youth conventions, etc.