Once God gives you the promise of the Holy Ghost can you lose it, (Biblically)

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Barb

And so the one in whom lasciviousness and deceit abides can contain also the Spirit of Christ?!

Sorry...I don't believe it.

True, the Spirit convicts, and if one will acknowledge the conviction from the Lord and respond, the Spirit has done it's work.

But for the one who makes excuses or exists in denial and continues in sin, can the Spirit continue to abide?!

I do not believe He can...

I don't know anything other than what the Word of God says. That's all I have to go on.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Barb

Could it be that it was David's opinion that the Spirit of the Most High was yet with him and not a fact that it was?!

God's blessing is not a sign of approval, nor is an answered prayer.

One may think the Spirit is with them or even IN them and be dreadfully mistaken.

Personally speaking....

I don't believe that the scriptures would intentionally mislead us. All I know is what the scripture teaches us.

Whether one believes a thing or not believe a thing does not alter the scriptures in the least.

Also, personally speaking...

I have had the Holy Ghost for many years. In those many years, I have sinned. Yet, I can testify that the Holy Ghost was not taken from me. Thankfully, He prodded me to repentance. I am happy that the grace of God granted me that repentance.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Personally speaking....

I don't believe that the scriptures would intentionally mislead us. All I know is what the scripture teaches us.

Whether one believes a thing or not believe a thing does not alter the scriptures in the least.

Also, personally speaking...

I have had the Holy Ghost for many years. In those many years, I have sinned. Yet, I can testify that the Holy Ghost was not taken from me. Thankfully, He prodded me to repentance. I am happy that the grace of God granted me that repentance.

I read your post with tears in my eyes, Elder, knowing the same is true of me.

And yet, though I do not believe there is a revolving door on our hearts, how can we reconcile sin and Spirit residing in the same temple?! I cannot.

Consider this...

Many years ago, my pastor, Bishop Wilson, was preaching and in mentioned someone who had been caught "in gross sin." His description in those three words sent minds reeling I am sure.

He said that when questions by the powers that be re how he could continue to stand behind a pulpit, yet "in gross sin," the man said, "Because I had enough respect to repent first."

Sin on top of sin is iniquity, and that is the type of thing I am ineptly speaking about here.

When someone can take the Word, "If we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive," and habitually sin and repent...sin and repent...again and again, the soul of a man/woman will become calloused to the conviction of the Spirit.

As I said, I am ineptly trying to express my view, not to mention that I don't have all the answers.

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

David had committed two terrible sins' adultery with another man's wife and then had the man killed. He was an adulterer and a murderer too.

How long he tarried as both an adulterer and a murderer, I cannot tell from scripture. But until Nathan appeared before him, bringing attention to his covered sin, the Holy Spirit had not yet departed from him as can be seen in his prayer recorded in Psa 51. Yes, he was unclean. He was unclean BEFORE he commited adultery, looking and lusting coveting his neighbor's wife, and afterwards too.

How long would have the Holy Spirit tarried IN HIM, I cannot tell. But, one of the purposes of the Holy Ghost that abides in us as it did also in the days of old, is, to convict us of sin...not to depart everytime sin is commited. If the Holy Ghost departed everytime that someone sin...I doubt that there would even be a church. Why? By breaking the least of God's commandments, we are taught that we have broken all of them. In other words, we become guilty of the whole.

Therefore, a LIFE of repentance is required.

Are you saying that your scriptures and my scriptures contradict each other?

We both know that that's impossible. John 7:39 clearly shows that the OT prophets we're not infilled with the Holy Ghost, at least not in the same way as it is given today.

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by Barb

I read your post with tears in my eyes, Elder, knowing the same is true of me.

And yet, though I do not believe there is a revolving door on our hearts, how can we reconcile sin and Spirit residing in the same temple?! I cannot.

Consider this...

Many years ago, my pastor, Bishop Wilson, was preaching and in mentioned someone who had been caught "in gross sin." His description in those three words sent minds reeling I am sure.

He said that when questions by the powers that be re how he could continue to stand behind a pulpit, yet "in gross sin," the man said, "Because I had enough respect to repent first."Sin on top of sin is iniquity, and that is the type of thing I am ineptly speaking about here.

When someone can take the Word, "If we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive," and habitually sin and repent...sin and repent...again and again, the soul of a man/woman will become calloused to the conviction of the Spirit.

As I said, I am ineptly trying to express my view, not to mention that I don't have all the answers.

Barb,

When will you ever live good enough to be saved? What if you get caught right in between a sin and repentance?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by big-larry

Are you saying that your scriptures and my scriptures contradict each other?

We both know that that's impossible. John 7:39 clearly shows that the OT prophets we're not infilled with the Holy Ghost, at least not in the same way as it is given today.

From the Garden of Eden, we see God's presence will not be found in the presence of sin. What changed in the New Covenant was not doing away with Old, but instead of overshadowing, it was infilling.

David did not want God to flee from him for his sin. Same as a child of God should not toy with thinking the Holy Ghost will always be there if they sin. God does not inhabit an unclean temple.

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by Barb

The Spirit of Christ and the spirit of man canNOT reside in the same temple...anyone who thinks otherwise is deceived.

Barb, this may be a typo, but when a man's spirit leaves his body, He's dead. Graveyard dead. Jas 2:26

[Barb]

Originally Posted by big-larry

Barb, this may be a typo, but when a man's spirit leaves his body, He's dead. Graveyard dead. Jas 2:26

Yes, it is a typo...thankx...I meant the Spirit if Christ.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Barb

I read your post with tears in my eyes, Elder, knowing the same is true of me.

And yet, though I do not believe there is a revolving door on our hearts, how can we reconcile sin and Spirit residing in the same temple?! I cannot.

Consider this...

Many years ago, my pastor, Bishop Wilson, was preaching and in mentioned someone who had been caught "in gross sin." His description in those three words sent minds reeling I am sure.

He said that when questions by the powers that be re how he could continue to stand behind a pulpit, yet "in gross sin," the man said, "Because I had enough respect to repent first."

Sin on top of sin is iniquity, and that is the type of thing I am ineptly speaking about here.

When someone can take the Word, "If we confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive," and habitually sin and repent...sin and repent...again and again, the soul of a man/woman will become calloused to the conviction of the Spirit.

As I said, I am ineptly trying to express my view, not to mention that I don't have all the answers.

You have spoken a lot of truth here but let me point out something which I believe to be true in regard to this.

I don't believe anyone can toy with sin and get by. Indeed one will become so calloused until they can no longer find a place of repentance though it may be sought with bitter tears.

Nevertheless, the Holy Ghost is give us for many reasons one of which is to convict us of sin. There is none on this forum that has had the Holy Ghost for any great length of time that has not sinned. They have. But God graciously granted them, as He did you and I, sweet repentance.

When one refuses to repent as seen in their continual back and forth from sin to grace, from grace to sin, from sin to grace...on and on, there comes a time that the Holy Ghost will leave seeing that "if we SIN WILFULLY. There is no longer any repentance. (Heb 10:26 onward) That person is turned over to a reprobated mind filled with so much darkness that they CANNOT be saved, unable to find repentance.

But, I've seen people's confidence thrown away because they were told that because they sinned that they no longer had the Holy Ghost. They should not be taught that, in my opinion. Heb. 10:35 teaches us to NOT cast away our confidence. Ths is often done because of a sense of hopelessness.

To continue to wilfully live in sin John says that such a person is of the devil. This is seen in I Jn 3:8 by the use of the word "committeth," which means to wilfully continue in sin. In truth, there is no Holy Ghost abiding in one who persists in their sin.

'preciate you sister.

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

From the Garden of Eden, we see God's presence will not be found in the presence of sin. What changed in the New Covenant was not doing away with Old, but instead of overshadowing, it was infilling.

David did not want God to flee from him for his sin. Same as a child of God should not toy with thinking the Holy Ghost will always be there if they sin. God does not inhabit an unclean temple.

The Law was based on man's peformance. Therefore if a man had been able to perform it, then man would get the glory. (e.i."all these have I kept for my youth up", and " Lord, I thank thee that I am not like other men".)

Jesus fullfilled the law by living perfect and upright under the law. Then He abolished the law when He died and resurrected. Eph 2:15;Rom 10:4 " For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

Most Christians are still trying to live under a performance based law to obtain salvation. The law is gone, get over into the letters written to the Church (epistles).

The first eight chapters of Romans tells us more about how to live than all the OT and the four Gospels combined.