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01-25-2008, 12:17 PM
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Disney is not something I would look for to promote cleanness. The corporation is anything but clean. But what I saw on the Jonas Brothers website would make me think twice about letting kids attend their concerts if they are going to be shirtless or open shirts how are they different than a rock group?
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Well, the question was regarding whether their music was ok to listen too...nothing was said about visuals.
However, since you brought it up, I don't necessarily agree with the appearance of all Christian artists either. If the qualifications for artists must be that they always wear attire you approve of, I suggest that you may find yourself somewhat limited in what you are going to listen too.
As for Disney, there are some things about them I don't like, but in terms of wholesomeness, there are few things in the entertainment industry today that are as moral and wholesome as many Disney productions. I personally have watched practically every episode of Hannah Montana and the Suite Life of Zack and Cody, and I cannot think of any objectionable content. If parents are objecting to music and TV shows like these, then what in heaven's name is allowable?
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01-25-2008, 12:22 PM
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Well, the question was regarding whether their music was ok to listen too...nothing was said about visuals.
However, since you brought it up, I don't necessarily agree with the appearance of all Christian artists either. If the qualifications for artists must be that they always wear attire you approve of, I suggest that you may find yourself somewhat limited in what you are going to listen too.
As for Disney, there are some things about them I don't like, but in terms of wholesomeness, there are few things in the entertainment industry today that are as moral and wholesome as many Disney productions. I personally have watched practically every episode of Hannah Montana and the Suite Life of Zack and Cody, and I cannot think of any objectionable content. If parents are objecting to music and TV shows like these, then what in heaven's name is allowable?
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Bishop I have no problem with the two shows that you mentioned. My 4 yr. old grandson loves Hannah Montana as does 1 of my granddaughters. I have also watched both of these and agree that almost all of it is cleaner than a lot of cartoons. I have a problem with the Disney Corporation and some of the messages that come out in their Animated Movies, such as the Shrek series. It is imperative that parents or grandparents monitor what their children and grandchildren watch. We do set the boundaries for them. There are shows I won't watch or let my grandchildren watch. I like Animal Planet and the Discovery Channel but my grandkids don't like a lot of the programs on these channels.....lol
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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01-25-2008, 12:27 PM
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Bishop I have no problem with the two shows that you mentioned. My 4 yr. old grandson loves Hannah Montana as does 1 of my granddaughters. I have also watched both of these and agree that almost all of it is cleaner than a lot of cartoons. I have a problem with the Disney Corporation and some of the messages that come out in their Animated Movies, such as the Shrek series. It is imperative that parents or grandparents monitor what their children and grandchildren watch. We do set the boundaries for them. There are shows I won't watch or let my grandchildren watch. I like Animal Planet and the Discovery Channel but my grandkids don't like a lot of the programs on these channels.....lol
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you are so right and just crack me up cneasttx, monitoring is the best policy for all media, lol,dt
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01-25-2008, 12:34 PM
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If there are better choices, then we should offer them to our children. There's lots of secular material that is wholesome and appropriate, but if we can offer them a Christ-based alternative (and not in the sense that it is second best), then we should do that.
Music in particular is very powerful, so it needs to be carefully filtered and utilized to its best potential, especially with children. I like what Dr. Phil says--"Children are a blank slate; you write upon them every day of their lives!"
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01-25-2008, 12:50 PM
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If there are better choices, then we should offer them to our children. There's lots of secular material that is wholesome and appropriate, but if we can offer them a Christ-based alternative (and not in the sense that it is second best), then we should do that.
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Like I said, I believe a balance needs to be involved.
But that, IMO, in no way excludes the fact that the Jonas Brothers are clean, wholesome entertainment that is safe for children to listen too.
As for music, I agree it is powerful...but it is no more powerful than things that kids watch. So, IMO, it would be inconsistent to insist that a child listen to ONLY Christian music, but then allow them to take in other forms of entertainment that are not Christian based. Not that I'm saying anyone here is suggesting that....but frankly, as long as the music is clean and doesn't contain a lot of objectionable content, I don't think it HAS to be Christian. I read books and watch movies that aren't Christian...I also read books and watch movies that are. As long as a good balance is maintained, I don't see an issue.
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I have a problem with the Disney Corporation and some of the messages that come out in their Animated Movies, such as the Shrek series. It is imperative that parents or grandparents monitor what their children and grandchildren watch. We do set the boundaries for them.
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I agree, parents must monitor. I think the Focus on the Family site is a great place to do that...and they don't see anything objectionable about the JoBros and neither do I. Not that I listen to them, but I wouldn't see anything wrong with teens or pre-teens doing so.
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01-25-2008, 01:02 PM
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Like I said, I believe a balance needs to be involved.
But that, IMO, in no way excludes the fact that the Jonas Brothers are clean, wholesome entertainment that is safe for children to listen too.
As for music, I agree it is powerful...but it is no more powerful than things that kids watch. So, IMO, it would be inconsistent to insist that a child listen to ONLY Christian music, but then allow them to take in other forms of entertainment that are not Christian based. Not that I'm saying anyone here is suggesting that....but frankly, as long as the music is clean and doesn't contain a lot of objectionable content, I don't think it HAS to be Christian. I read books and watch movies that aren't Christian...I also read books and watch movies that are. As long as a good balance is maintained, I don't see an issue.
I agree, parents must monitor. I think the Focus on the Family site is a great place to do that...and they don't see anything objectionable about the JoBros and neither do I. Not that I listen to them, but I wouldn't see anything wrong with teens or pre-teens doing so.
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Bishop you are probably right about the Jonas Brothers music. I have not heard of it. My first post was answering a direct question that Bro. Scott asked. I went to the link provided and saw a picture of them at one of their concerts and they just looked like a young rock band to me. But what young children are exposed to has a very strong influence on them. So if it is ok to watch a boy band with their shirt off why is it not ok to watch a girl or girl band with skimpy clothes on? Their music might be "clean" but what about their mannerisms and standards in concert and promotion.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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01-25-2008, 11:58 PM
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No, they are not appropriate.
They are appearing on "Ellen".
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01-26-2008, 08:43 AM
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Bishop I have no problem with the two shows that you mentioned. My 4 yr. old grandson loves Hannah Montana as does 1 of my granddaughters. I have also watched both of these and agree that almost all of it is cleaner than a lot of cartoons. I have a problem with the Disney Corporation and some of the messages that come out in their Animated Movies, such as the Shrek series. It is imperative that parents or grandparents monitor what their children and grandchildren watch. We do set the boundaries for them. There are shows I won't watch or let my grandchildren watch. I like Animal Planet and the Discovery Channel but my grandkids don't like a lot of the programs on these channels.....lol
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For what it's worth, Disney didn't have anything to do with SHREK. That was done by DreamWorks.
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01-26-2008, 08:50 AM
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For what it's worth, Disney didn't have anything to do with SHREK. That was done by DreamWorks. 
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Thank you DaisyP, for the correction.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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01-26-2008, 09:27 AM
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I didn't say it all needed to be Christian. That would be pretty pointless of me, since saying such would knock out all the fairy tales I read my kids, a lot of silly kids' songs, and who knows what else! (As well as the bawdy sailor songs my Daddy taught me, which I've passed on to my own kids!  )
I'm just saying that children are impressionable, and we should choose what they watch, read and listen to with more care than we put forth choosing material for ourselves.
Disney is, for the most part, "wholesome." Especially if you use other worldly material as the measuring stick. However, that doesn't mean its ideal, and that there isn't better material to choose.
By the way, the second book of Narnia has been made into a movie - "Narnia: Prince Caspian." I can't wait to see that!
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--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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