Pastor forced to leave by cops @Tulsa Meeting

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I just wonder why they were so against taping it?

Might have been advantageous of them to allow taping so the story was straight or so doubters could have experienced the good services too.

I doubt anything was said there that wouldn't get out anyway with that many in attendance.

Remember where it was - many of them are against the use of video at all.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by The Closer

well thank you thank you so much

i am glad to know that God can be there and will dis-allow the statement that you made earlier that if you and your camera are not allowed then it is certain that God is not there either

thank you thank you so much for clearing that up for us

You are welcome...but,

you are still misunderstanding. I did not use the word camera. A camera can be obnoxious and intrusive. I said, "digital recorder" which is not in the least intrusive.

I said, "God is not there..." But in what sense? Did you not see the context of the report or did you just react EMOTIONALLY? It is hard to deal with anyone on a intellectual level who only responds and reacts emotionally. Go back and read the context. Or should I break it down and spoon feed it to you? OK, I can do that too.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Remember where it was - many of them are against the use of video at all.

Right. But, that is only a part of the reason. The other reason is the power of CONTROL.

[The Closer]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

You are welcome...but,

you are still misunderstanding. I did not use the word camera. A camera can be obnoxious and intrusive. I said, "digital recorder" which is not in the least intrusive.

I said, "God is not there..." But in what sense? Did you not see the context of the report or did you just react EMOTIONALLY? It is hard to deal with anyone on a intellectual level who only responds and reacts emotionally. Go back and read the context. Or should I break it down and spoon feed it to you? OK, I can do that too.

oh yes i read it all and read it in context and why i even read what you quoted as the base of your comments

i would say that i understood what you were trying to say and did say

thank you so much but i understood and now here you are trying to back out of what you said oh my what ever are we going to do

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Right. But, that is only a part of the reason. The other reason is the power of CONTROL.

see here we are again everybody is a control freak and there are you standing on the sidelines with your black robe on

now could it be that it is not about control but about conviction

if you need me to i can send you the link to the help you understand what that word means if not then i suggest webster online

hope that helps

thank you thank you so much

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I believe the contention is you stated that God wasn't there. That's a pretty strong statement and one I would argue with since many have said differently.

Deu 29:29 The secret [things belong] unto the LORD our God: but those [things which are] revealed [belong] unto us and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this law.

They either belong to us forever...those things which belong untol the Lord our God, OR they belong to another who has the right to control, copyright, and distribute THEIR OWN STUFF.

But, if God is there and he is advancing HIS Word by His Prophets...THAT does not belong to THEM. THAT belongs to us and our children FOREVER.

I am all for them controlling, copyrighting and distributing their OWN stuff. It is just that I am not in the least INTERESTED in their OWN stuff.

But, I will concede that "God is NOT there," is my opinion. I don't make the laws. Hahaha. Some might think that I do. But no, I do not.

[Apprehended]

The Closer:

A BLACK robe, no less. Goodness. A black one.

You are funny. I bet that you are a very righteous person.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Deu 29:29 The secret [things belong] unto the LORD our God: but those [things which are] revealed [belong] unto us and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this law.

They either belong to us forever...those things which belong untol the Lord our God, OR they belong to another who has the right to control, copyright, and distribute THEIR OWN STUFF.

But, if God is there and he is advancing HIS Word by His Prophets...THAT does not belong to THEM. THAT belongs to us and our children FOREVER.

I am all for them controlling, copyrighting and distributing their OWN stuff. It is just that I am not in the least INTERESTED in their OWN stuff.

But, I will concede that "God is NOT there," is my opinion. I don't make the laws. Hahaha. Some might think that I do. But no, I do not.

I find it a bit disturbing - the ease with which you pass judgment.

To even state as a personal opinion "God is not there" seems very arrogant and calloused to me.

Reminds me of Gamaliel, if it's not of God it will come to naught, if it IS of God, we dare not fight it.

And, if God WAS there, you just came against Him.

But, that's just my humble opinion.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I find it a bit disturbing - the ease with which you pass judgment.

To even state as a personal opinion "God is not there" seems very arrogant and calloused to me.

Reminds me of Gamaliel, if it's not of God it will come to naught, if it IS of God, we dare not fight it.

And, if God WAS there, you just came against Him.

But, that's just my humble opinion.

Thank you...

and I conceded to Renda that I rendered mine too.

There are a lot of "goings on behind the hole in the wall" that appears so much like God, that is not. We are taught to try the spirits to see if they be of God. I did. I rendered my opinion...a quantity that we are all entitled too.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Thank you...

and I conceded to Renda that I rendered mine too.

There are a lot of "goings on behind the hole in the wall" that appears so much like God, that is not. We are taught to try the spirits to see if they be of God. I did. I rendered my opinion...a quantity that we are all entitled too.

Understood.

However, were you at the meeting in Tulsa?

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Understood.

However, were you at the meeting in Tulsa?

As I said before, I would not attend any meeting that would not allow at least my little (unobtrusive) digital recorder. The things of God belong to the children of God. If they do not belong to the children of God forever, then they are not of God. IMHO. But, hey! I've been wrong before...I think. Standing here in my black robe on the sidelines.