The 1 Step Salvation plan - Page 4

OneAccord · #31 01-28-2008, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by brotherjason

Thanks One Accord (wish we all were). I guess I'm a third party here. I believe in strict adherence to the apostles doctrine, I preach it, I talk it and I wont say there is any other way to be saved. But I have gotten to the point that if a person dies and hasn't been baptized right or had the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues, I don't venture a guess as to where they go, at that point it is between them and God and has nothing to do with me. I know God's merciful and I am not infallible so I just leave it at that.
Lol, and if it doesn't make any sense, lol, blame it on the pain pills! Yep, I'm unfortunately on them too!

In agreement with what you say, Brother, especially the bolded part. There is no other way to be saved. No other Name. And I appreciate the fact that you don't "venture a guess". Unfortunately, many do. Like the disciples asking, "Why iis this man sick? Did he, or his parents, commit sin?". (Paraphrase). No one could answer that but Jesus the Healer. No one can answer who is saved and who is not but the Savior.

OneAccord · #32 01-28-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I got the Holy Ghost BEFORE I was water baptized…how did I receive the HOLY GHOST before I was cleansed or purified????

They had to schedule my water baptism a few days out due to having no baptismal available. Do you mean to tell me that even though I had repented of sin and God filled me with the Holy Ghost I would have gone to Hell if I died in a car accident on the way to the church service where I was baptized????!!!!!!

Please answer the question! If I wasn’t cleansed, washed, or my sins were not forgiven until my baptism…HOW DID I RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST AFTER REPENTANCE ALONE?

In answer to your question. Yes. You would split hell wide open. At least, thats according to the view of some. I have read it on one of these forums that babies that die before they are baptized go to torment. (I don't know what happens to babies that die before birth or are aborted). Even the mentally ill are consigned to hell in some areas of thought. I can't imagine a God like that. I just thank God that He doesn't see through the eyes of those who believe such!

Your second question cannot be logically answered by those brethren and sisters who hold to the 3 stepper view. Its been asked before (I think by you on another thread). Your question leads to a paradox in 3 stepper theology. A loophole. However, when we read the Word ofGod for what It says, and not for what we have been taught it says, the loophole is solved. Thank God for His eternal truth!

RandyWayne · #33 01-28-2008, 05:38 PM

I too received the holy ghost and literally started speaking in tongues with the same sort of muscle reaction that people experience when they wake up with a sudden jolt. And yes, this was at least a couple of weeks before I was baptized.

Now I did receive a very strong conviction to get baptized, but the big CHANGE in my life happened after receiving the holy spirit. I could give a list of all the things I suddenly stopped doing (or started) -often without even realizing it, but the point is that the BIG change seems to come with the infilling. Again, I felt the strong urge to get baptized but had I died in the two weeks between.....

People often get upset at hypotheticals but you still have to consider your "typical" airplane crash. On 9/11, would God have denied anyone on any of those planes who cried our to him as the planes were going down?

Michael The Disciple · #34 01-28-2008, 05:54 PM

Yes we are aware of Cornelius receiving the Spirit before baptism. It presents us with a challenge in understanding our view of the new birth. But consider that this works both ways.

When I was early in my walk something bothered me. I had repented and I also had received the Holy Spirit with tongues and prophecy following. I was loving Jesus and happy in him.

However every time I would read this verse:

16: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16:16

That sure sounded like one needed to be baptized to be saved. I did not know any Oneness Pentecostals then so this was something between me and the word of God. That scripture sure sounded a lot like THIS:

38: Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38

Baptism for the remission of sins?

Certain scriptures seemed to say my experience was not complete. Until I was baptized it always tugged at my heart when I saw them.

So if one was on the side of the fence I was THOSE SCRIPTURES seemed out of place somehow. We thought IF ONE BELIEVED and confessed Christ was risen from the dead (Romans 10:9) they were saved.

Yet there was scripture seeming to say we were not saved or at best not "fully saved".

So when people bring up Cornelius ok. But just like myself there are people on the other end of this discussion who can see scripture pointing them on to yet more truth.

ApostolicTexas · #35 01-28-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord

In answer to your question. Yes. You would split hell wide open. At least, thats according to the view of some. I have read it on one of these forums that babies that die before they are baptized go to torment. (I don't know what happens to babies that die before birth or are aborted). Even the mentally ill are consigned to hell in some areas of thought. I can't imagine a God like that. I just thank God that He doesn't see through the eyes of those who believe such!

Your second question cannot be logically answered by those brethren and sisters who hold to the 3 stepper view. Its been asked before (I think by you on another thread). Your question leads to a paradox in 3 stepper theology. A loophole. However, when we read the Word ofGod for what It says, and not for what we have been taught it says, the loophole is solved. Thank God for His eternal truth!

OneAccord...are you a 1 stepper?

ApostolicTexas · #36 01-28-2008, 08:12 PM

I even heard 1 steppers say..if they repent and are bapitzed later and never speak in tongues at all...they STILL recieved the Holy Ghost!

Felicity · #37 01-28-2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ApostolicTexas

I even heard 1 steppers say..if they repent and are bapitzed later and never speak in tongues at all...they STILL recieved the Holy Ghost!

Good heavens! What do you think it is that people receive that creates such amazing spiritual transformation in their life?

ApostolicTexas · #38 01-28-2008, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

Good heavens! What do you think it is that people receive that creates such amazing spiritual transformation in their life?

Perhaps you support the 1 step doctrine?.

well people in the Bible who recieved the Spirit spoke in tongues..not sure what the baptist,methodist recieve..you tell me with scripture

Felicity · #39 01-28-2008, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ApostolicTexas

Perhaps you support the 1 step doctrine?.

well people in the Bible who recieved the Spirit spoke in tongues..not sure what the baptist,methodist recieve..you tell me with scripture

1 step doctrine opposed to the 3 step doctrine or the 4 step doctrine or the 7 step doctrine?

What about just following and obeying Scripture. That's the best way. Forget about the numbers.

ApostolicTexas · #40 01-28-2008, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

1 step doctrine opposed to the 3 step doctrine or the 4 step doctrine or the 7 step doctrine?

What about just following and obeying Scripture. That's the best way. Forget about the numbers.

I agree 100% especially the ones on where and what the Apostle taught..Acts 2:38...No where did they teach a sinners prayer or a repeat after me prayer..it was repentance and water bapitism in Jesus name with the evidence of speakin in tongues..