McCain Is the Only Hope of the GOP & America

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Wrong. Funding for Medicare and Medicaid would be transfered into a national health insurance program funding the program nearly 60%. Taxes needed to pay for the rest of the program . . .

These programs, and many of the state programs like them, are all cut of the same cloth. They are compulsory wealth transfers from the prepared to the unprepared. Where is the compassion in that? It actually detracts from compassion on a local neighborhood level, as people consider that their neighbor's problems are being handled by a myriad of government programs. Charity is done on an individual basis, and from a cheerful heart.

The U.S. government has a right to raise taxes to defend the shores and provide a common currency. All the rest of this mess, most of it slipping in under the much-abused "interstate commerce clause," is extraneous to the constitutional mandate for the federal government. But now all these poor sods are conditioned to receive their handouts, and are actually in worse shape than if we'd left them to sort out their own problems. It's a massive vote-buying scheme disguised as Christian charity, or civic-mindedness, or whatever, and apparently you've bought into it. It won't be so funny when we reach the tipping point of: less than 50% pay taxes AND more than 50% receive financial assistance from the government.

Baloney. How is it ethical to use tax dollars for anything then?

Defend the shores, provide a common currency. Everything else is about currying favor with constituencies and special interest groups. And you paying for it, ya sucker you! Err, wait a minute . . . . so am I! aaaaaaaagh!

Someone will always wish not to have their tax dollars spent on something.

That is true enough. Defense spending, department of energy and transportation, and other such things that benefit the citizenry as a whole are no big deal. What you are defending is the politics of personal and class envy, of confiscatory, compulsory wealth transfer. It is NOT for the common good that the man down the street with poor planning and finance abilities get a handout - it's for his good alone, and it's to the detriment of the people that pay for it. Our freedoms were based on equality of opportunity, but this socialist system attempts to guarantee equality of outcome. This defies all natural law and is nothing more than a cynical vote-buying scheme. Jesus himself said the poor we'll have with us always.

I guess everyone's being robbed. Maybe we should shut down the government and become an anarchy.

Hyperbole. Wheee! what fun! hyperbole.

Get realistic here bro. We're talking about Health Insurance. It's not like a car or computer. It's health.

From where do you originate a sovereign right to an insurance policy????? People that don't plan and save have suffered from the dawn of time. It's highly egotistical to think that this can be changed.

Look at our successful federal programs to end drugs and poverty . . . oops! - They've spent BILLIONS these past 40 years and the statistics have only gotten worse. How about that federal department of education? We spend more now than ever, and our students are performing more poorly than they ever have. The only thing these programs have succeeded at is building bureacracies that actively work at self-preservation and growth, like a cancer.

Do sick people have a basic human right to health care that can save their lives. Last year an estimated 18,000 Americans died because they couldn't afford health insurance.

This is false. There are charity hospitals. Lack of insurance does not equal lack of treatment. The "uninsured" statistics are trumped up by the many, many people who CHOOSE NOT TO PURCHASE HEALTH INSURANCE BECAUSE THEY ARE YOUNG AND HEALTHY! Why would anybody want to subsidize the old and the sick through an insurance company, yet ANOTHER bureaucratic entity, albeit one trying to turn a profit? It used to be

It's Nixon's fault that people expect health insurance from their employers, another bad idea. All this third-party payer system has unnecessarily run up the prices.

What was their only crime? Being poor.

This reminds me of that age old question, why do bad things happen to good people? I hear you about the plight of the virtuous poor, the trouble is they're scarce as hen's teeth around here. Another romantic myth bites the dust.

I believe your heart is in the right place. The trouble is that you are proposing an untenable and proven non-viable solution to a sensational, emotional problem that has been exaggerated from the word go.

Would you like to visit a Canadian forum and talk with some Canadians about this with me?

I'd feel so . . . . . . awkward. I don't speak a word of Canadian.