WPF in talks with Philippines UPC

[Sister Alvear]

If their goal is to gather up discontent pastors and offer salaries like some people to to try to hurry and have an instant work it will be instant alright! However it will NOT stand the process of time...I have watched things like that happen over and over.

[Sister Alvear]

If that is the way the wpf works they show they know very little about REAL missionary life...that will cause LOTS of friction among both missionaries and nationals...

[Esther]

Originally Posted by blueaugust

Now I am a UPC pastor from the Philippines and I think it's not the UPC pastors that they are after but rather the scattered oneness apostolic independent churches. And unlike the Independent churches in North America, to which I find a lot of sincere people with right attitudes and spirits, a lot of the independents here in the Philippines are a tumultuous bunch. They are independent because they refused to submit themselves to authority and have left the UPC because of immorality and local church financial issues.

If they are the target of WPF, then I have to say that they would have a hard time organizing this people as this professing pastors themselves doesn't respect each other nor are they willing to cooperate with each other because of leadership issues. PAW has tried to organized them a year or two ago trying to give a whole lot of money as incentives to these men but the effort was really futile. Up to now there is no sizeable organized PAW churches in the Philippines.

And also, even if WPF be successful in organizing this bunch, The highest number of people that these pastors could gather would just be around ten thousand people (maximum) and not 30 thousand as the original poster has said. Compared to the UPC Philippines 2,500+ pastors, 2,500+ churches and preaching points, and around 300,000 constituents, that's the best number this independents will come up with.

As an added info for all brothers in North America, most of us UPC pastors in the Philippines are progressive moderates that doesn't have any strong convictions against T.V. We are even wondering as to why there's all this fuzz about people in the US and Canada leaving the organization just because of the TV.

A lot of us are also privately offended when Bro. Johnny King came here in the Philippines on one of our district conferences in Manila, trying to impose, during his preachings, his convictions against video cameras, still photography, and even short sleeves. But we still welcomed him and showed him true Filipino hospitality as we know that he is a brother in the Lord and is someone who has also worked hard in the Lord's harvest...

Excluding Apollo Quibuloy, a guy who is teaching that he is the returned Son of God that has ushered the Millennial Kingdom some years ago; and Wilde Almeda that teaches that he is the only pastor that God has called for the whole world, teaching that Christians shouldn't go to a doctor nor a hospital; and knowing the fact that these two independents do have regular T.V. shows; there really aren't any oneness apostolic organization besides UPCI that the WPF could take advantage of here in the Philippines.

The third week of February is our General Conference here and I would gladly give an update if ever there's any news of this matter in here...

Please remember that I am not degrading all independent pastors in general for this matter. It's just that I have first hand experiences with these people I'm talking about...

And also for the record, the Philippines is a well evangelized country and that Apostolic Teaching is already widespread, with nearly all towns and cities having at least one apostolic local church. You guys might be shocked to know that plans are now being laid for the Filipinos to take the place of American Missionaries in evangelizing other Asian countries that are still bound to paganism. It's for the reason that Filipino Missionaries doesn't really cost that much to support unlike their American counterparts...

Ooooopppss! I think the last paragraph should be on a new thread and not on this one...

Did I understand you to say he preaches against photographs?

[Sister Alvear]

If they want instant works they will only see a lot of wild fire and then it will die down...seen it too many times on the field...most natives will run for the money but will also run to the next handhand....if they want a REAL lasting work they should listen to advice of seasoned missionaies that LIVE on the field.

[George]

If the Filipino church is so sufficient they can send their own missionaries to other parts of the world, the only reason they would join WPF is for promised money. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Foreign language is "money."

[Sister Alvear]

I know a few they might get but how long they stay would be another story...sounds like history repeats itself.
I am really upset if this is true because I did not think these men would do something like this...but I do know something was tried on another field but the missionary set them straight. I sure hope they don't come offering money to Brazil and causing trouble for us missionaries. We have enough on us fighting the dark powers of the enemy...if they want something on some field help some good missionary is my advice. Yes, I happen to know a few rotten apples but I know a whole lot more that are true blue.

[Felicity]

Great comments by Sis. Alvear and knowing what I do, blueaugust's comments sound credible.

This is not about dissing WPF by the way. Comments typical to the "this will be huge for the WPF" remark have been made by the UPC and other organizations as well.

Just to be fair and all .........

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by George

If the Filipino church is so sufficient they can send their own missionaries to other parts of the world, the only reason they would join WPF is for promised money. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Foreign language is "money."

Lets rephrase that another way so we cover all the bases.


"If the Filipino church is so sufficient they can send their own missionaries to other parts of the world, the only reason they would join the UPCI is for promised money. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Foreign language is "money."

[Sister Alvear]

Some natives and some missioanries may just be looking for opportunities but the REAL CALL of GOD will think twice about any decision for decisions made on the mission field have long and lasting effects both good and bad.
Money may sound good...I know many times it is so needed however we must think about the end results of easy quick money...

[Sister Alvear]

MONEY...if not cafeful generates greed the most dependable of all vices...