WPF in talks with Philippines UPC

Originally Posted by Esther

Did I understand you to say he preaches against photographs?

He was telling all those that are taking photographs and those who are using video cameras to stop taking pictures and videos of the revival and lecture services...

Originally Posted by George

If the Filipino church is so sufficient they can send their own missionaries to other parts of the world, the only reason they would join WPF is for promised money. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Foreign language is "money."

I would say that in case of some Independents, that may be relatively true...

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Lets rephrase that another way so we cover all the bases.


"If the Filipino church is so sufficient they can send their own missionaries to other parts of the world, the only reason they would join the UPCI is for promised money. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Foreign language is "money."

Sorry to correct you bro. st. matthew, but the plan that I'm telling you is spearheaded by UPCI itself. It's part of the UPCI's focus in changing strategies for evangelizing the world. There is no promised money for Filipino pastors here when we were converted or when we started doing the Lord's work. UPCI missionaries don't go around here offering money to us... They came here to teach us and train us to be able ministers of the gospel. And I guess they are pretty successful with it...

Maybe you'll get a better understanding of the picture if I tell you that 98% of the UPCI pastors in here started their churches without any financial help from the Headquarters nor any secular job. We even pay for our bible school education. We are a very resourceful bunch and are really ready to suffer for Christ sake. I hope you at least respect that...

This is not to say that we are not grateful for all your help in supporting the Missionaries that came here in the Philippines. Be assured that the money your giving is being used by the missionaries in sustaining their work in training and equipping the Philippine Church. Just not the way you think it is...

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by Straightline

I believe the Missions statement of the WPF is to "find and facilitate" local indigenous works.
If the WPF wants to support men in the 'ppines, what would be wrong with that??
You actually think they will steal churches away from the UPC?

I am no apologist for the WPF, but most missionaries welcome support from wherever they can get it, not just FMD. Why can't the national pastors do the same?

When will the UPC get rid of that US vs. THEM mentality?


It's hard to stir the pot
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Straightline

I can see you are not a missionary. There is nothing wrong with supporting anyone HOWEVER if nationals work under a certain leadership the leadership should be consulted or else you will have total confusion in the end.
Please NOTEI am NOT against supporting nationals but before someone steps in they should respect whatever set up and whatever organization the person is with.

Too many nationals have been runined for life because of greedy Americans that want the prestige to say they have works somewhere.

I have worked 40 years in Brazil and 10 in the Philippines...I am married to a foreigner and all my children were raised on a foreign field.

I am for nationals and have given my life to defend them BUT they do not think like Americans...

[Sister Alvear]

I have seen a lot of people both Americans and nationals RUINED by money...

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I understand the folks in question are currently UPC.

That's the statement I couldn't say with my limited vocabulary... Thanks Bro. Hoover.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Maybe he will write a letter?

Maybe he'll just sit down and smile as he intimately know the Filipino people...

Originally Posted by Ron

Knowing the lack of ethics that is taught,or practiced in the Philippines, I am not surprised!

Could you please elaborate on this... Thank you very much if you will...

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I can see you are not a missionary. There is nothing wrong with supporting anyone HOWEVER if nationals work under a certain leadership the leadership should be consulted or else you will have total confusion in the end.
Please NOTEI am NOT against supporting nationals but before someone steps in they should respect whatever set up and whatever organization the person is with.

Too many nationals have been runined for life because of greedy Americans that want the prestige to say they have works somewhere.

I have worked 40 years in Brazil and 10 in the Philippines...I am married to a foreigner and all my children were raised on a foreign field.

I am for nationals and have given my life to defend them BUT they do not think like Americans...

Thank you sis. Alvear...

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by blueaugust

That's the statement I couldn't say with my limited vocabulary... Thanks Bro. Hoover.

Ah... don't be too humble there bro. Your last few posts have not only demonstrated an excellent use of English, but also show you actually know what is going on.


Bless You!