WPF in talks with Philippines UPC

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Ah... don't be too humble there bro. Your last few posts have not only demonstrated an excellent use of English, but also show you actually know what is going on.


Bless You!

I was going to say... and you've got a great looking blog too. Congrats Brother BlueAugust!

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by SecretWarrior

Steve Buxton traveled with Bro. Mallory on one or more of the crusades.I would venture to say he's taking valuable information and using to the advantage of WPF.If what is being said here is true,one can invision Mallory making a journey to the Philippines to set things in order

Every revival church has its share of disgruntled and embittered independents, (Not to be confused with honest and Godly independents), and the Philippine church is no exception. The WPF can have them.

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by Ron

Knowing the lack of ethics that is taught,or practiced in the Philippines, I am not surprised!

What an idiotic statement. Just because someone is married to a filipina from a particual area and familial culture does not grant license to broad brush the national church with the stinging charge of a total lack of ethics. Perhaps you ran into some difficult and disturbing situations where you were or in your wife's circle of acquaintences. Anectodal experiences, though powerful and influential on an individual basis, are often not a reflection of the group as a whole.

There are many fine, ethical men and women in that church. I sincerely hope you meet them some day and have a change of heart.

I might add, that there is seems to be dearth of ethics everywhere, including the UPCI at times and, yes, even in the WPF. So I do not despute that you may have personally run into some unethical filipinoes.

[embonpoint]

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

What an idiotic statement. Just because someone is married to a filipina from a particual area and familial culture does not grant license to broad brush the national church with the stinging charge of a total lack of ethics. Perhaps you ran into some difficult and disturbing situations where you were or in your wife's circle of acquaintences. Anectodal experiences, though powerful and influential on an individual basis, are often not a reflection of the group as a whole.

There are many fine, ethical men and women in that church. I sincerely hope you meet them some day and have a change of heart.

I might add, that there is seems to be dearth of ethics everywhere, including the UPCI at times and, yes, even in the WPF. So I do not despute that you may have personally run into some unethical filipinoes.

You mean, of course, the ones used to smear the WPF on nearly a daily basis on this board.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by blueaugust

Could you please elaborate on this... Thank you very much if you will...

Elaborate what?

I have been around Philippino's for twenty years & have seen ministers do anything & everything.

Not everyone is that way of course, but it happens far to frequently for there not to be ethics being taught, or followed.

Suffice it to say, there are a number of licenses that our Church could have had yanked with sufficient grounds.
Our Pastor has taught us to be forgiving.

I can not name names, but it is real.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

What an idiotic statement. Just because someone is married to a filipina from a particual area and familial culture does not grant license to broad brush the national church with the stinging charge of a total lack of ethics. Perhaps you ran into some difficult and disturbing situations where you were or in your wife's circle of acquaintences. Anectodal experiences, though powerful and influential on an individual basis, are often not a reflection of the group as a whole.

There are many fine, ethical men and women in that church. I sincerely hope you meet them some day and have a change of heart.

I might add, that there is seems to be dearth of ethics everywhere, including the UPCI at times and, yes, even in the WPF. So I do not despute that you may have personally run into some unethical filipinoes.

If you only knew. Some of your leaders have not acted above board.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Is this what it's all about?

Well if it's true they said "you can join us and remain UPC" then I would say so

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by George

If the Filipino church is so sufficient they can send their own missionaries to other parts of the world, the only reason they would join WPF is for promised money. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Foreign language is "money."

Wow.....George...money is the language of Americans too, sheeesh nice broadbrush insult of all foreign Christians

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by Ron

If you only knew. Some of your leaders have not acted above board.

And all of yours have? You must live in a part of America I have never been to.

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by embonpoint

You mean, of course, the ones used to smear the WPF on nearly a daily basis on this board.

The broad brush is never correct to use, such as "all men in the WPF act in an unethical manner." That would be illogical and untrue. However, to question certain actions and decisions that are known to have occured, then attempt to extrapolate from those as to the motivations for such a behavior is altogether different.

To say an entire culture or church group is unethical is wrong. A church which, by the way, has experienced some of the most phenomenal revival in the last 30 years of any nation in the world. To question the ethics or motivations of singular actions is different. That is not anectodal, my friend. That is knowing them that labor among you. Or who lead you.