WPF in talks with Philippines UPC

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

May I say something else? I have friends both in UPC and WWF however most Americans would never know what it means to live in a third world country. Most Americans would never understand what it means to live on less than 100 dollars a month..Sometimes not even live just exist...
People from 3rd world countries are just as smart as Americans but most have never had the chance to own a car, own a home or have what most Americans consider the bare necessities of life...So many times when the flashy Americans come staying in hotels, driving rented cars and money to buy all kinds of souvenirs it is a logical fact that they are impressed.

It is not always that they are not loyal but the fact remains they must survive and many Americans thrive on that fact. Offering them a few dollars more than what they have may mean milk for their babies and rice for their tables.
Many of the nationals know nothing about all our problems in the USA and to use them to build our ego is wrong…terribly wrong. It matters not if it is UPC, ACI, WWF or whoever or whatever else.

Now that is a very factual statement there sister alvear. That is if a minister is still in his pioneering stage of establishing a church. What you have stated is a direct result of native pastors here who'd rather do fasting for the whole week rather than have a secular job to support their families.

May I add that new Filipino ministers today are more open to having dual work both as a minister and some job from the secular world. especially those that are still pioneering new churches...

[Sister Alvear]

I see the Americans through eyes of a foreigner because my husband and children are not Americans. I am so sorry for some of the things the Americans do on the foreign fields in the name of building a work.
At the same time I know that many Americans are noble and have given their whole lives on lonely mission fields many times being misunderstood by both nationals and Americans.

I love the mission field and wish the very best for the Philippine people. They are so sweet and kind...so willing to give. I don't like for any one to take advantage of someone else.

[Joseph Miller]

There has been a few negative statments made about people from the Philippines on this thread. I have never been there but we have 2 in our church. One is our Sunday School Superintendant. He is a very honest and ethical man. He is a praying man and very sensitive to the spirit.

There maybe some out there that fit what has been said on this thread but I can think of some people from every race and culture that it fits too. Let's not paint with too broad a brush.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by blueaugust

Now that is a very factual statement there sister alvear. That is if a minister is still in his pioneering stage of establishing a church. What you have stated is a direct result of native pastors here who'd rather do fasting for the whole week rather than have a secular job to support their families.

May I add that new Filipino ministers today are more open to having dual work both as a minister and some job from the secular world. especially those that are still pioneering new churches...

"What you have stated is a direct result of native pastors here who'd rather do fasting for the whole week rather than have a secular job to support their families."

Does this make anyone else feel like we need to repent and do more and do better?

Originally Posted by Rev

"What you have stated is a direct result of native pastors here who'd rather do fasting for the whole week rather than have a secular job to support their families."

Does this make anyone else feel like we need to repent and do more and do better?

Oh Bro. Rev, I only mean that these kind of convictions sometimes makes way for the devil to influence native ministers' thoughts to just blindly receive any material offers that some foreigners will offer them without balancing if what their getting into is really the will of God...

I did not intend for you to understand it some other way...

[George]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

May I say something else? I have friends both in UPC and WWF however most Americans would never know what it means to live in a third world country. Most Americans would never understand what it means to live on less than 100 dollars a month..Sometimes not even live just exist...
People from 3rd world countries are just as smart as Americans but most have never had the chance to own a car, own a home or have what most Americans consider the bare necessities of life...So many times when the flashy Americans come staying in hotels, driving rented cars and money to buy all kinds of souvenirs it is a logical fact that they are impressed.

It is not always that they are not loyal but the fact remains they must survive and many Americans thrive on that fact. Offering them a few dollars more than what they have may mean milk for their babies and rice for their tables.
Many of the nationals know nothing about all our problems in the USA and to use them to build our ego is wrong…terribly wrong. It matters not if it is UPC, ACI, WWF or whoever or whatever else.

Well said.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by George

Why do they need to take control over established churches? If it is all about winning souls, they should send their own missionary and start their own work - not proselyte another church/organization.

It is so funny the amount of double talk about the WPF...their numbers are downplayed but they are able to go into foreign countrys with the big guns and forcibly take mission fields over...

But, don't mind that 90% of what any one here says about the WPF is second, third, and mostly fourth hand information. Carry on with the double talk.

Originally Posted by Ron

I am married into the culture but not blind either!

I am sorry, but ethics is either not taught, nor really practiced like it should over there both in Church & in business!

Originally Posted by Ron

Knowing the lack of ethics that is taught,or practiced in the Philippines, I am not surprised!

Ron,
You reveal more about yourself than you realize with this post. You have issues and I pray you get them worked out seeing as you are married to a Filipina.
I was raised in the Philippines as a missionary kid then returned with my family many different times. In fact we are leaving in 1 1/2 weeks to attend the Philippine General Conference. The truth of the matter is, while I feel I am a dedicated christian, I am not even worthy to carry the Bible of many of those UPCI ministers in the Philippines. They are some of the most purely Apostolic and Godly men and women I have ever met.
It is true the goverment is corrupt in that country and I can't speak for the Indepedants over there, I can speak from decades of experience that your charge that ethics are neither taught nor practiced in the Philippines, couldn't be farther from the truth.
I recommend everyone make a trip to the Philippines some day and see for themselves the high level of integrity those wonderful people practice.

Originally Posted by MissionsJD

Ron,
You reveal more about yourself than you realize with this post. You have issues and I pray you get them worked out seeing as you are married to a Filipina.
I was raised in the Philippines as a missionary kid then returned with my family many different times. In fact we are leaving in 1 1/2 weeks to attend the Philippine General Conference. The truth of the matter is, while I feel I am a dedicated christian, I am not even worthy to carry the Bible of many of those UPCI ministers in the Philippines. They are some of the most purely Apostolic and Godly men and women I have ever met.
It is true the goverment is corrupt in that country and I can't speak for the Indepedants over there, I can speak from decades of experience that your charge that ethics are neither taught nor practiced in the Philippines, couldn't be farther from the truth.
I recommend everyone make a trip to the Philippines some day and see for themselves the high level of integrity those wonderful people practice.

Somehow I feel that I know you bro missionsjd. If your parents are missionaries to the Luzon area, then what I feel may not be too far from the truth. Just to let you know, I have been a student of ACTS Bible School in Manila from 1990 to 1992 (the year I graduated).

By the way, it's good to hear you coming to the General Conference this year...

Originally Posted by blueaugust

Somehow I feel that I know you bro missionsjd. If your parents are missionaries to the Luzon area, then what I feel may not be too far from the truth. Just to let you know, I have been a student of ACTS Bible School in Manila from 1990 to 1992 (the year I graduated).

By the way, it's good to hear you coming to the General Conference this year...

It would be nice to meet you. We are looking forward to being there. I have appreciated your contribution to this thread.