WPF in talks with Philippines UPC

Originally Posted by R.D. Foster

What has SB's involvement been to this point?

I am just assuming that SB's group is going for the UPC churches in Bohol as the flow of discussion in this thread has lead me to assume...

[Sister Alvear]

I do not know any UPCI Philippine brothers that I can think of so I am not taking up for the UPCI and neither do I know SB. Although my oldest son was with them and told me they are lovely people and have a good church so what I say is not against SB.

I speak from a missionary standpoint and point of view. I HAVE faced certain things in the last 40 years and my flesh wanted to cry out, my flesh wanted to show I was right but to do that I knew little innocent ones would be destroyed so I did nothing to hurt anyone...years passed and today most people know what I went though and respect me for protecting the innocent and the unborn.

Did I hurt? Yes, I did. Did people not understand my reaction? Yes my friends did for they wanted me to react, to stand up and tell my side and even though I might have benefitted it would not have been good for the people that I loved most...even though for years they did not understand...
I knew I was right and I suffered for being right!
Sometimes we might be right but we must think of the end results not gratifying the flesh proving we are right.
Time tells a lot of stories. Time proves to be our best friend...time does what we often cannot do..it reveals truth and the intents of people's hearts.

Whether American or national we MUST not be tempted to take advantage of other men's wars...it will only corrupt what we hope to build and that includes rightousness, holiness and godly living.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by blueaugust

Thanks Bro. pelathais. I haven't attended to that blog for a week now I think... We've been very busy preparing for the coming UPC Philippines General Conference on this third week of February. Bro. Mallory would be the Nightly Speaker. I wonder if his preachings would reflect on some of the past events with WPF... I would love to post in here anything that might come from him verbally...

Bro Mallory, along with Bro. Carl W. Adams, are the most loved UPCI missionaries here in the Philippines...

It would be interesting to hear if he says anything related to the WPF. So post away!

But more importantly - have a great Conference. I look forward to reading more reports about the great work of the Holy Spirit in the Philippines.

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

It is so funny the amount of double talk about the WPF...their numbers are downplayed but they are able to go into foreign countrys with the big guns and forcibly take mission fields over...

But, don't mind that 90% of what any one here says about the WPF is second, third, and mostly fourth hand information. Carry on with the double talk.

There is nothing funny about sowing discord in a foreign field, where the nationals have been taught to trust and love American preachers. Mixed signals from America could hinder the influence of all American missionaries in that land.

I must say, it is abunantly clear that you have no idea of what you are talking about when it comes to missions.

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by R.D. Foster

What has SB's involvement been to this point?

During and subsequent to the Dream Team 2001 crusades, he has been dynamic crusade leader and advocate for revival, primarily on the island of Bohol. He has gone back several times, I understand.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

It is so funny the amount of double talk about the WPF...their numbers are downplayed but they are able to go into foreign countrys with the big guns and forcibly take mission fields over...

But, don't mind that 90% of what any one here says about the WPF is second, third, and mostly fourth hand information. Carry on with the double talk.

You make it sound like you think it's a good thing that they can "go into foreign countrys with the big guns and forcibly take mission fields over." I would be ashamed to show myself to the brothers overseas if I was even tempted to think that I was there to "take over."

Originally Posted by R.D. Foster

What has SB's involvement been to this point?

On Steve Buxton’s first trip to Bohol, (the island where he has been ministering in the Philippines) he was introduced to the island’s UPC pastors. He preached in several of the island’s UPC churches and met many of the island’s UPC saints. He made many trips back to Bohol and did a lot of good.
The problem was he began to tell people that he went to Bohol and was the pioneer of the work. It seems that his memory failed him because he later forgot that the UPC had long ago established churches there.
He told people, and even was quoted in publications, that he went to Bohol and founded the work from nothing. This is absolutely false. While he was a blessing to an established church, he played the role of evangelist and encourager, but definitely not a pioneer. In other words, he is claiming the work as his, and it is quite frankly not.
If this is the best the WPF Foreign Missions Department can do, they don’t have a Foreign Missions Department at all. I wish them well because there are billions of souls who need to hear the gospel.
The danger for the WPF is that the individual members will undo the great good they have done through the years now as they promote the “preferred apostolic alternative”. No one is afraid that the WPF will be successful in carving out a chunk of the UPC Philippines; the concern is that they will cause confusion.
We don’t need anything to distract us from winning lost souls.

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by MissionsJD

On Steve Buxton’s first trip to Bohol, (the island where he has been ministering in the Philippines) he was introduced to the island’s UPC pastors. He preached in several of the island’s UPC churches and met many of the island’s UPC saints. He made many trips back to Bohol and did a lot of good.
The problem was he began to tell people that he went to Bohol and was the pioneer of the work. It seems that his memory failed him because he later forgot that the UPC had long ago established churches there.
He told people, and even was quoted in publications, that he went to Bohol and founded the work from nothing. This is absolutely false. While he was a blessing to an established church, he played the role of evangelist and encourager, but definitely not a pioneer. In other words, he is claiming the work as his, and it is quite frankly not.
If this is the best the WPF Foreign Missions Department can do, they don’t have a Foreign Missions Department at all. I wish them well because there are billions of souls who need to hear the gospel.
The danger for the WPF is that the individual members will undo the great good they have done through the years now as they promote the “preferred apostolic alternative”. No one is afraid that the WPF will be successful in carving out a chunk of the UPC Philippines; the concern is that they will cause confusion.
We don’t need anything to distract us from winning lost souls.

Excellent post, and true.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by MissionsJD

Ron,
You reveal more about yourself than you realize with this post. You have issues and I pray you get them worked out seeing as you are married to a Filipina.
I was raised in the Philippines as a missionary kid then returned with my family many different times. In fact we are leaving in 1 1/2 weeks to attend the Philippine General Conference. The truth of the matter is, while I feel I am a dedicated christian, I am not even worthy to carry the Bible of many of those UPCI ministers in the Philippines. They are some of the most purely Apostolic and Godly men and women I have ever met.
It is true the goverment is corrupt in that country and I can't speak for the Indepedants over there, I can speak from decades of experience that your charge that ethics are neither taught nor practiced in the Philippines, couldn't be farther from the truth.
I recommend everyone make a trip to the Philippines some day and see for themselves the high level of integrity those wonderful people practice.

I clarified the post.
From the majority of Ministers I have met from the Philippines, there was an obvious lack of ethics shown by 95% of them.

True, that doesn't represent the whole Philippine Church.

Again, there would be Ministers License taken away if we were to persue the matter.

Issues? Would you like to clarify this please?

I don't care who the person is--Ethics is Ethics.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by MissionsJD

On Steve Buxton’s first trip to Bohol, (the island where he has been ministering in the Philippines) he was introduced to the island’s UPC pastors. He preached in several of the island’s UPC churches and met many of the island’s UPC saints. He made many trips back to Bohol and did a lot of good.
The problem was he began to tell people that he went to Bohol and was the pioneer of the work. It seems that his memory failed him because he later forgot that the UPC had long ago established churches there.
He told people, and even was quoted in publications, that he went to Bohol and founded the work from nothing. This is absolutely false. While he was a blessing to an established church, he played the role of evangelist and encourager, but definitely not a pioneer. In other words, he is claiming the work as his, and it is quite frankly not.
If this is the best the WPF Foreign Missions Department can do, they don’t have a Foreign Missions Department at all. I wish them well because there are billions of souls who need to hear the gospel.
The danger for the WPF is that the individual members will undo the great good they have done through the years now as they promote the “preferred apostolic alternative”. No one is afraid that the WPF will be successful in carving out a chunk of the UPC Philippines; the concern is that they will cause confusion.
We don’t need anything to distract us from winning lost souls.

I believe he his hand called on this by a Veteran Missionary....but nothing was done.... from what I've heard...