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Old 02-07-2008, 09:56 AM
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Re: CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay chur

I think CeCe meant well and was unwise about her choice to do this. Until she openly endorces this I'd chalk it up to bad judgment on this occasion.

I think discussion of this subject could continue in a way that doesn't indict CeCe for this lapse in judgment but rather addresses the points of Affirmation Theology. These individuals actually believe that the Bible teaches that homosexuality is acceptable within certain parameters. They use various passages and aspects of language to support their theological position.

The tenents of their theology follows the line of these concepts that they claim are arrived at through study of the Scriptures...

-They see the story of Sodom as a case illustrating the threat of gang rape not strictly homosexuality in general. They point out that this sin is repeated in Judges 19 where the crowd wishes to rape the Levite but instead are allowed to rape his concubine. They claim that this illustrates a crime of violence not a committed homosexual relatinoship.

-They believe that the laws against homosexuality in Leviticus and Deuteronomy are actually part of Israel's holiness code and are no longer binding such as the eating of shell fish, wearing blended fabrics, touching a woman during mensturation, etc. Some have attempted to linguistically prove that these laws in the Law of Moses were aimed at addressing the specific pagan practices of enslaving men, castrating them, and using them as personal or temple sex slaves. Israel eventually did use these prostitutes in the Temple of Jehovah in the books of I Kings and II Kings. They claim homosexuality in general isn't the subject of the text but rather the use of male sex slaves or prostitutes.

-They claim that the Bible views three homosexual relationships in a positive light. The first point to David and Jonathan who lived together in Saul's house when Saul was King. They claim that David and Jonathan's souls were knit together and a sexual relationship is indicated in Saul's accusation against Jonathan sexually shaming his mother by maintaining his relationship with David. They continue in this line of thought underscoring David and Jonathan's embracing, weeping, and kissing. They attempt to use the Hebrew language to insinuate that David and Jonathan had a sexual encounter at one moment when David "exceeded" which they claim is a Hebrew term used for male arousal. They conclude with how David mourned the death of Jonathan stating, "I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women."

-These homosexual churches also claim that Ruth and Naomi may have had a sexual dimension to their relationship. They statet that the words used in their covenant of partnership reflect a covenant of marriage, "Where you go I will go, and where you stay I will stay. Your people will be my people and your God my God. Where you die I will die, and there I will be buried. May the Lord deal with me, be it ever so severely, if anything but death separates you and me.(NIV)". They are forced to admit that beyond this there is absolutely no indication that they were physically intimate.

-They also claim that Daniel and Ashpenaz are another incident. They claim that Daniel 1:9's wording, "favour and tender love" (chesed v’rachamim) can be translated "mercy and physical love."

-They believe that the Roman centurian's servant in the Gospels was the Roman centuran's male companion as was common among centurians seeing that Roman law forbid them to marry or have children. They claim that Jesus heals this man's servant without condemning the relationship.

-They claim Jesus never mentions homosexuality in his teachings as found in the Gospels.

-They claim that in Romans 1 Paul was refering to straight married couples participating in homosexual acts during the debaucheries performed in Roman temples not homosexuality in general.

-They claim that the language used in the Epistles addressing homosexuality specifically condemn male prostitution and pediphilia not homosexuality in general.

Let's not personally judge CeCe or others...let's examine and refute their theology.
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