Trinity: False Doctrine of Blind Leaders.

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I've been studying about God and His coming to earth as man for over a year now. There are clearly distinctions but contrary to what non grata says they are not eternal.... To understand God become man you must know who God is first. Jesus did not come to reveal a Trinity, he came to reveal the Father. Christ is the express image of God the Father.

I would rather discuss who Christ is than the Trinity.

The Nicene Creed came about over the issue of who Christ is. Those who formulated the Creed said that Christ, with regard to His divinity, was the same (divine) substance as the Father (this was in contrast to the teaching of Arius, who said Jesus was of similar substance as the Father). Other early Creeds were formulated to address the issue of who Christ is (Nestorius' diophysite teaching was adopted but Nestorius was condemned because of the way Cyril wrongly charcterized Nestorius' teaching; Eutychius' monophysite teaching was rejected).

[sola gratia]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Watch out for the Trinitarians who call us antichrist and say we (Oneness) have the spirit of antichrist if we do not believe in the Son of the Father (the eternal Son) as they do.

This is not true of 99% of trinitarians - but is true of 95% or more of oneness adherants towards trinitarians - lets get it right here

Originally Posted by sola gratia

This is not true of 99% of trinitarians - but is true of 95% or more of oneness adherants towards trinitarians - lets get it right here

Most trinitarians have never even heard of oneness.

[sola gratia]

Originally Posted by Chan

Most trinitarians have never even heard of oneness.

that is also extreamly true

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

This is not true of 99% of trinitarians - but is true of 95% or more of oneness adherants towards trinitarians - lets get it right here

The Trinitarian that said this is not ignorant of doctrine. He is more than able to adequately discuss the doctrine of the Trinity from the Bible. If he was ignorant, I might agree with you. Quite a few Trinitarians believe if one does not believe the doctrine of the Trinity, that person is lost. I've been on CARM long enough to know your numbers are exaggerated. It is more 50/50 in my opinion.

Do you have a chip on your shoulder against Oneness?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

The Trinitarian that said this is not ignorant of doctrine. He is more than able to adequately discuss the doctrine of the Trinity from the Bible. If he was ignorant, I might agree with you. Quite a few Trinitarians believe if one does not believe the doctrine of the Trinity, that person is lost. I've been on CARM long enough to know your numbers are exaggerated. It is more 50/50 in my opion.

Do you have a chip on your shoulder against Oneness?

No ... he doesnt ... at all ...

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Chan

Most trinitarians have never even heard of oneness.

They have heard of Oneness as "Jesus only" and call us a cult. This comes from my neighborhood not the internet.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

No ... he doesnt ... at all ...

If you say so Dan, I believe your an honest person.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

If you say so Dan, I believe your an honest person.

SG is a good friend ....

[sola gratia]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

The Trinitarian that said this is not ignorant of doctrine. He is more than able to adequately discuss the doctrine of the Trinity from the Bible. If he was ignorant, I might agree with you. Quite a few Trinitarians believe if one does not believe the doctrine of the Trinity, that person is lost. I've been on CARM long enough to know your numbers are exaggerated. It is more 50/50 in my opinion.

Do you have a chip on your shoulder against Oneness?

No, I don’t really – I have a chip on my shoulder of the prejudice against Trinitarians – The issue of ONE GOD is not the debate – the composition of GOD is – the manner in which HE exists as Father, Son and Holy Ghost is the issue, and regardless of the propaganda seen here – it is no simple issue.
Some have become so anti Trinitarian – that they have abolished the existence of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, or any distinction there may be – this is poor biblical interpretation – and anti-biblical.

It frustrates me to know that we have ostracized an entire group of Christianity that perhaps 95% and probably even more than that here and abroad can adequately discuss – when we call them 3 god monsters, polytheistic, and 3 god papists… it displays the ignorance that is ours – and the reason we are so quickly dismissed in mainstream Christianity – this our approach and thus our lot in life – little more than a blurb in world evangelism, and the history books –