Which is worse pre mid post or dispensationalism

[Ron]

Originally Posted by mfblume

If disp is wrong, then it makes a HUGE difference. There is no millennium in our future, since it is NOW. And if it is NOW, we better get off our behinds and start ruling by having revival, instead of waiting for evil to take over as though it must take over.


By the way, one can be pre mid or post trib and STILL BE DISPENSATONALIST.

Bro. I don't wait for evil to take over--but it is.
Although not bfor the reasons you think.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Ron

Bro. I don't wait for evil to take over--but it is.
Although not bfor the reasons you think.

The fact is dispensationalism encourages people to not rule and reign now since we are not yet kings, (although Rev 1:5-6 says we are, and Eph 2:5-6 says we are seated with Christ NOW on the throne), and WAIT to rule after the rapture. Disp teaches that EVIL MUST rise and take over the world because the rapture cannot take place until certain evil things begin to occur. Preterism teaches God left us in this world to overcome it, and not let it take over with its evil.

Disp makes prophecy into something people are not interested in because they think it is after the church is raptured anyway, so who cares?

Shouldn't a viewpoint that makes us say "Who cares?" about an entire book of the Bible (Revelation), be subject to a high level of scrutiny?

Preterism on the other hand, for example, says the New Jerusalem is NOW and we must rule in this CHURCH city, and makes prophecy VERY relevant today because if Most of Rev is fulfilled already, the New Jerusalem needs to pump out the rivers of living water and see her kings and priests rule now!

Anyone must admit that if they believed most of Rev was fulfilled, and that we are NOW in the New Jerusalem, (Heb 12:22), then they would treat their Christian lives much more differently than Dispensationalism influences them to live. It changed me! I became more serious and on fire for working for God NOW.

I do not think this is an issue of fellowship, and love futurists as much as preterists. lol. My thoughts, anyway.

[LordChocolate]

The problem is that both preterists and futureist are man made. Dispensationalism, preterism, pre trib, mid trib, post trib, all man made. The scipture says JESUS IS RETURNING and NOONE KNOWS WHEN.

[Michael The Disciple]

Mblume

The fact is dispensationalism encourages people to not rule and reign now since we are not yet kings, (although Rev 1:5-6 says we are, and Eph 2:5-6 says we are seated with Christ NOW on the throne), and WAIT to rule after the rapture. Disp teaches that EVIL MUST rise and take over the world because the rapture cannot take place until certain evil things begin to occur. Preterism teaches God left us in this world to overcome it, and not let it take over with its evil.

Verses Apostle Paul

3: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5: Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2 Thess. 2:3-5

Its a knockout in Pauls favor.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by LordChocolate

The problem is that both preterists and futureist are man made. Dispensationalism, preterism, pre trib, mid trib, post trib, all man made. The scipture says JESUS IS RETURNING and NOONE KNOWS WHEN.

PREACH!!!!!!!!!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by LordChocolate

The problem is that both preterists and futureist are man made. Dispensationalism, preterism, pre trib, mid trib, post trib, all man made. The scipture says JESUS IS RETURNING and NOONE KNOWS WHEN.

The future coming of Jesus, agreed. But Jesus said he would come in the lifetimes of the people living in His day.

Matthew 10:23 KJV But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Matthew 16:28 KJV Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Matthew 26:64 KJV Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

That was a past fulfillment. But He is still coming in our future. No one knows when.

So your issue of no one knowing when Jesus comes is really moot. Preterists never said we know when Jesus is coming. If we say we do not know when he is coming, why claim we are wrong because no one knows when he is coming?

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Obviously all the ones that are wrong are dangerous. To save time anything other than post trib.

Here Paul lets us know the truth.

3: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5: Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2 Thess. 2:3-6

Anyone teaching different than what he says here is deceiving the people.

a. Falling Away
b.Man of sin revealed.
c. Coming of Christ to gather elect.

A big Amen.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Verses Apostle Paul

3: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5: Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2 Thess. 2:3-5

Its a knockout in Pauls favor.

Amen!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Verses Apostle Paul

3: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5: Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2 Thess. 2:3-5

Its a knockout in Pauls favor.

Putting in my - AMEN!!!!

[Hesetmefree238]

Originally Posted by LordChocolate

The problem is that both preterists and futureist are man made. Dispensationalism, preterism, pre trib, mid trib, post trib, all man made. The scipture says JESUS IS RETURNING and NOONE KNOWS WHEN.

And, a big Amen!