Why does it seem that men are obsessed here.......

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Right, because we KNOW that men have no anointing of their own accord, but it is all determined by how women dress and arrange their hair.

The MEN of the Apostolic movement aren't spiritual enough to maintain doctrine & anointing if women don't abide by certain guidelines.

AND, spiritual men can't protect their homes if their wives cut their hair, no matter how much they pray and serve God. God only looks at the woman's head, and that is the determining factor for His blessings or His curse.

oh my goodness you crack me up miss b, you funny, lol,dt

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

oh my goodness you crack me up miss b, you funny, lol,dt

But, she does make a valid point!

[MissBrattified]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Some of this stuff is a Pentecostal Women's Lib Movement--where we are somehow independent from our husbands' authority or anointing or spiritual leadership, and in many cases are perceived to be directly responsible for the leading and protecting of our homes--and our churches. To me, this is such a reversal of what ought to be, its sickening.

I want my husband to lead our home, I want to hear him praying every morning before he leaves for work, I want to know that if I slip up somewhere, he is a spiritual man, and can take up the slack.

I wonder, too, if men have offloaded their obligations onto women, or at least, agreed with it, because its easier to blame the women for problems in the church or home, than to address their own spiritual state?

I realize those are broad statements, and I know there are a lot of strong, anointed men--I don't want to imply otherwise--but this constant nitpicking at what women do and what women wear, to me it indicates an underlying weakness.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Some of this stuff is a Pentecostal Women's Lib Movement--where we are somehow independent from our husbands' authority or anointing or spiritual leadership, and in many cases are perceived to be directly responsible for the leading and protecting of our homes--and our churches. To me, this is such a reversal of what ought to be, its sickening.

I want my husband to lead our home, I want to hear him praying every morning before he leaves for work, I want to know that if I slip up somewhere, he is a spiritual man, and can take up the slack.

I wonder, too, if men have offloaded their obligations onto women, or at least, agreed with it, because its easier to blame the women for problems in the church or home, than to address their own spiritual state?

I realize those are broad statements, and I know there are a lot of strong, anointed men--I don't want to imply otherwise--but this constant nitpicking at what women do and what women wear, to me it indicates an underlying weakness.

There's some preaching going on up in here today!!!!

[Cindy]

You know I think in some churches if women were really silent there would not be a church. No praying, no singing, no testifying.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by KarenJo

Yes, i believe that it would be the same if she was blind or not.

It was more in the attitude of why it was being done. The attitude of the church changed along with the standards. When they started letting things go out the door, it allowed a spirit and an attitude to come in.

Being blind, unless it was stated to her, how would she know they were letting down on standards and that's what caused a spirit and attitude to come in? See my point? It might have had nothing to do with them letting down on standards but the attitude involved in doing so. Some people let down on standards (I hate how that's worded, but don't know how else to say it--I just don't agree with how it sounds) without an attitude or bad spirit.

Dress standards and wearing certain attire doesn't keep bad attitudes and spirits at bay. There is more to this than meets the eye. But you are right on saying it was more in the attitude of why it was being done. I didn't read correctly that until after typing the above to you. We agree there.

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Some of this stuff is a Pentecostal Women's Lib Movement--where we are somehow independent from our husbands' authority or anointing or spiritual leadership, and in many cases are perceived to be directly responsible for the leading and protecting of our homes--and our churches. To me, this is such a reversal of what ought to be, its sickening.

I want my husband to lead our home, I want to hear him praying every morning before he leaves for work, I want to know that if I slip up somewhere, he is a spiritual man, and can take up the slack.

I wonder, too, if men have offloaded their obligations onto women, or at least, agreed with it, because its easier to blame the women for problems in the church or home, than to address their own spiritual state?

I realize those are broad statements, and I know there are a lot of strong, anointed men--I don't want to imply otherwise--but this constant nitpicking at what women do and what women wear, to me it indicates an underlying weakness.

Woooohoooo!!!

You go girlfriend!!!

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Whether you can see it or not, there is something about a women who upholds the standard holiness look that is very appealling to men. The wholesome, natural beauty coupled with the Holy Ghost is something that many men would miss tremendously if one day our churches were void of such women. In addition, women with more liberal ideas of dress should take heart that there were just as many men who would be attracted them as well.

It boils down to our particular "type" which whether we admit to it or not we all have... We just need to be careful that our admiration and attraction doesn't cause us to stumble/sin or offend others.

Also, many men were probably more at ease about discussing undergarments and such because they have wives, daughters and a house full of female family members and it was just a part of their home lives. There isn't anything wrong with men commenting on those things as long as it is done with the right spirit.

CBO, this thread has nothing to do with men commenting on how nice women look. This has to do with men dictating how women should look and being obsessed with why women don't want to do what they feel should be done in regard to 'holiness standards'.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Subdued

I'm wondering if perhaps the reason for this is because people have been taught that the way they dress = holiness. I'm also wondering what would happen if they were taught that holiness comes from (or is signified by) wearing a green hat. If they decided that they no longer want to (or believed in) wearing a green hat, would the "annointing" be different? IOW, is it a heart issue, or a dress/"standards" issue? Also, would it be a sign or a symptom?

Good point. I've heard people comment about how they visited churches they thought had 'holiness standards' and how God wasn't present in that service because standards weren't present. They saw with their eyes, and not with their hearts, which is why I brought up being physically blind. I wonder what we'd feel in services if we were blind to what people were wearing.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Men care about the salvation of women as well. Does it matter to you? How do you know that men care more about what someone else is wearing? Maybe men do have a problem with women who wear distracting clothes. Maybe some men realize their weakness and get frustrated at themselves because they can't ignore another woman. Why should a woman be allowed to be a stumbling block to men? I'm sure it goes both ways, but you are smart enough to know that men are visual by nature. So why get offended? Why get aggravated?

My salvation is based on what I'm wearing on the outside of my body????

You gotta be kidding me.

Can you imagine me telling you that you aren't saved unless you wear a shirt, tie, dress pants, and fancy shoes everywhere you go???

And this thread isn't about men commenting about women wearing distracting clothes, but men who comment more on women's standards than the women do. Some of them are plain obsessed. I can't imagine being on a men's dress standard thread and commenting about them the way men do about women's standards. I mean, what do I know and what do I care??? Don't I have enough to take care of with myself??