Trinity: False Doctrine of Blind Leaders.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rhymis

3 gods ain't never been apostolic (or 3 persons in a godhead)

Who said it was?

[sola gratia]

Originally Posted by Rhymis

3 gods ain't never been apostolic (or 3 persons in a godhead)

Better check your bible

[Rhymis]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Who said it was?

at least a trinity of persons here did.....

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I understand the orthodox doctrine set forth in the creeds and the doctrine of perichoesis.

It is this doctrine that should be the standard against which all other versions of the trinity doctrine are measured.

But I am aware there are many flavors of Trintarianism that range from one extreme to the other.

Yes, ranging from what is actually oneness to what is actually tritheism.

I haven't had time to read your book because of a Greek class I'm taking.

I can see why you wouldn't have time for reading other books.

I know you believe differently than most and when discussing your thoughts on a begotten Son, one Trintarian told me that in their view you were not a Trinitarian!

Well, yes, I do take the word "begotten" literally just as I take the Greek word monogenes in certain passages of the New Testament literally (as meaning "only born"). The idea of "eternally begotten" is an oxymoron and it is not what was in the original Creeds.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

Better check your bible

Dont you mean manual???

[sola gratia]

Trinity (Triunity) of God by J. Hampton Keathley III
Dallas Theological Seminary - professor

Person: In speaking of the Triunity, the term “person” is not used in same way it is in ordinary usage in which it means an identity completely distinct from other persons. Actually the word persons tends to detract from the unity of the Trinity. According to the teaching of Scripture, the three Persons are inseparable, interdependent, and eternally united in one Divine Being.

It is evident that the word “person” is not ideal for the purpose. Orthodox writers have struggled over this term. Some have opted for the term subsistence (the mode or quality of existence), hence, “God has three substances.” Most have continued to use persons because we have not been able to find a better term. “The word substance speaks of God’s essential nature or being and subsistence describes His mode or quality of existence.”

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Of course God is with us today on the earth in our hearts, but not as the glorified human Son of God. Jesus Christ's Spirit is given to us when we are born of the Spirit. Romans 8:9

mizpeh,
I emphatically disagree that the CHRIST is not walking upon the earth today!

The Christ is the abode of God. The more perfect tabernacle [allusion to Hebrews Chap 9] is the body of Christ.

The body has a head; the only begotten Son of God, the first fruits.

The body has many members; we who are joint heirs with the only begotten Son, we are the harvest.

God's church is the body he has built without man's hands. He has provided himself a house!

God's work of creation began with Christ and ends with Christ.

Except a corn of wheat die and fall into the ground it abides alone. But if it die, it brings forth much fruit. The fruit of the seed is the substance of the seed increased. Everything reproduces after its own kind!

The Christ is not only still on the earth, the Christ is increasing! God is supplying the increase. The Christ is the anointed one. The one doing the anointing is the Spirit of God. The ones being anointed are the members of his body....from head to toe, joint heirs, whereby we call, abba Father.

The old tabernacle has been replaced. Behold, all things have become new.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rhymis

at least a trinity of persons here did.....

I didn't see anyone claiming three persons is Apostolic

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by tbpew

mizpeh,
I emphatically disagree that the CHRIST is not walking upon the earth today!

The Christ is the abode of God. The more perfect tabernacle [allusion to Hebrews Chap 9] is the body of Christ.

The body has a head; the only begotten Son of God, the first fruits.

The body has many members; we who are joint heirs with the only begotten Son, we are the harvest.

God's church is the body he has built without man's hands. He has provided himself a house!

God's work of creation began with Christ and ends with Christ.

Except a corn of wheat die and fall into the ground it abides alone. But if it die, it brings forth much fruit. The fruit of the seed is the substance of the seed increased. Everything reproduces after its own kind!

The Christ is not only still on the earth, the Christ is increasing! God is supplying the increase. The Christ is the anointed one. The one doing the anointing is the Spirit of God. The ones being anointed are the members of his body....from head to toe, joint heirs, whereby we call, abba Father.

The old tabernacle has been replaced. Behold, all things have become new.

I can't understand a thing you have said. Maybe you have misunderstood me.

There is a difference between the Spirit of Christ in Romans 8:8-11, 2 Cor 13:5, Col 1:27, 1 Peter 1:11 and the man, Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God in heaven. I would have to disagree with you and say the Spirit I was baptized with when I spoke in tongues was the Spirit of Christ or simply, Christ. In other places that Spirit is called the Spirit of God, the Spirit of the Father, the Holy Spirit.......etc. We have been all made to drink of ONE Spirit.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I can't understand a thing you have said. Maybe you have misunderstood me.

No, what is different between our understandings is you seem (forgive me for the necessary speculation) to see Christ as a term strictly limited to application pertaining to the only begotten Son of God. If I am a member of the Body of Christ, the Christ must be something larger and unfolding within God's creative process.

I see a great witnesses in Eph 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ

and

So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. Ro 12

the very testimony of who anoints (establishing the etymology of the word Christ)

Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;

I guess for me, if I can confidently proclaim that I am a member of the BODY of CHRIST, and I am on the earth, then the CHRIST is on the earth. I do not make myself the first fruits, nor the head, but I do see myself as the increase that has resulted from a corn of wheat dieing and falling into the ground, bringing forth increase after its own kind.