I'm the first perm ban from justpreachers.com

[Apocrypha]

i'll gladly stick with a literal interpretation and be "sola scriptura"

in the end you just end up with third party stories that are opinions cloaked behind allegory and your end product is distorted Christianity.

This as as close as you can get in the literal word out of the ESV to even have a fig leaf for your viewpoint (a literal translation and very accurate)

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Romans 10:14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? [1] And how are they to hear without someone preaching?
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and all of us are called to be witnesses of His teachings, so to say who and who isn't a preacher is another pile of man made stuff...

Originally Posted by Apprehended

I strongly disagree that it is not salvational.

You may not have a pastor to help pray you through to the Holy Ghost, but in the end you cannot be saved without one.

Years ago, the old timers used to compare such a lone ranger with a coal of fire that separated from the fire. While the fire still burns, the coal will eventually fade away into a little pile of ash. You must have a pastor and be a part of the fold if you are not going to burn out, become cold or backslid.

Stick with all the exegesis that you want, the reality is fact.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by erikwebster

heres my fellow AWCF'ers reply:

You did kill their argument with scripture. Therefore, their only
recourse was to ban you.

Wow...

Is this sorta like the group (Pharisees, leaders, etc) in Acts 7 who heard Stephen's exposition of Scripture but they covered their ears and then killed him?

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by erikwebster

i'll gladly stick with a literal interpretation and be "sola scriptura"

in the end you just end up with third party stories that are opinions cloaked behind allegory and your end product is distorted Christianity.

This as as close as you can get in the literal word out of the ESV to even have a fig leaf for your viewpoint (a literal translation and very accurate)

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Romans 10:14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? [1] And how are they to hear without someone preaching?
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and all of us are called to be witnesses of His teachings, so to say who and who isn't a preacher is another pile of man made stuff...

You may carry on believing what you want to believe. However, you can find no scripture that says that you can be saved without a pastor. You cannot endure to the end without one. That is reality.

God put the five fold ministry in the church for a purpose. The Pastor is the watchman for your soul. He is God's undershepherd of the sheep.

You carry on with that kind of "I can do without 'em" mind set, you will surely come to a sad end. You can take that to the bank.

[Apocrypha]

pretty much

their all time #1 thread was one I created where I cut and paste a message from the AWCF World Congress last year with Kenneth Philips where he talked about using technology. the thread went WAY negative and like 400+ posts later folks were calling him backslid, etc etc... nasty stuff.. especially since im AWCF myself.

[Apocrypha]

Brother... i think the check would bounce if I did.

I don't discount the five fold ministry. Its there to strengthen the body. Its the pastor worship that derives from the concept that pastors are anything more than co-heirs in Christ and fully equal to us. I am assisting in a church myself and my pastor is also my uncle who is UPCI. I love him and he is my guide, friend, and counselor who is developing me.

But my salvation is in Christ and the Holy Spirit and scriptures are my guidepost.

Originally Posted by Apprehended

You may carry on believing what you want to believe. However, you can find no scripture that says that you can be saved without a pastor. You cannot endure to the end without one. That is reality.

God put the five fold ministry in the church for a purpose. The Pastor is the watchman for your soul. He is God's undershepherd of the sheep.

You carry on with that kind of "I can do without 'em" mind set, you will surely come to a sad end. You can take that to the bank.

[Ferd]

EW, my experience is that a fellow who gets banned from somewhere gets it because they refuse to comply with the wishes of the admin.

my view is, if someone cannot comply with the direction of the board they are posting on, it is their own fault.

instead of bragging about getting axed and pointing out how bad they are, you might find it more valuable to do a little soul searching. maybe it wasnt your disagreement so much as your disagreeableness that led to the ban.

you are not required to agree with me.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

I strongly disagree that it is not salvational.

You may not have a pastor to help pray you through to the Holy Ghost, but in the end you cannot be saved without one.

Years ago, the old timers used to compare such a lone ranger with a coal of fire that separated from the fire. While the fire still burns, the coal will eventually fade away into a little pile of ash. You must have a pastor and be a part of the fold if you are not going to burn out, become cold or backslid.

Stick with all the exegesis that you want, the reality is fact.

And, neither can you be saved without a priest to administer baptism by which you are "born of water," or to confirm you with the chrism of salvation, or to change the physical elements into the actual body and blood of Christ and then minister it to you in the sacrament, or to hear your confession and then to absolve you after prescribing the proper penance, or to marry you and your intended spouse in the church, etc. etc.

[Apocrypha]

its there decision to ban since its their playground.

its just amazing they banned me over that compared to some of the vile things that got thrown down in other threads. i had zero warning... i was just commenting that it was suprising.

Originally Posted by Ferd

EW, my experience is that a fellow who gets banned from somewhere gets it because they refuse to comply with the wishes of the admin.

my view is, if someone cannot comply with the direction of the board they are posting on, it is their own fault.

instead of bragging about getting axed and pointing out how bad they are, you might find it more valuable to do a little soul searching. maybe it wasnt your disagreement so much as your disagreeableness that led to the ban.

you are not required to agree with me.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by erikwebster

the actual cut and paste was deleted per the admin of this forum due to their internal rules about c/p from other forums for those that can't see it since someone will say "where is it"

but it was the admin from justpreachers Jim Renfro that said that.. blows your mind eh?

BTW what you do in PM is your business *hint hint*

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sam

Is this sorta like the group (Pharisees, leaders, etc) in Acts 7 who heard Stephen's exposition of Scripture but they covered their ears and then killed him?

So Erik was stoned by the Pharisees of another forum Sam? Interesting you should say that