WPF in talks with Philippines UPC

[Straightline]

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

Who else? SB and Co. have only worked with the UPCI pastors in the past and initially attained influence through UPCI invitations and programs. The assumption is relatively easy.

It is perfectly natural for these men to have a continued desire to work with and have influence over people they ministered to in the past. However, when they chose to leave the UPCI, one consequence of that decision is a loss of both influence and fellowship. Especially on a foreign field, where mixed signals from abroad, however small, can cause great confusion.

These men should continue working in a revival area, such as the P.I. There are multitudes that are caught in dead treditions and in need of the power of the HG. I can only pray that a concerted rather competative effort result from WPF endevors.

But I fear the worst in this case.

Assumptions are always easy - Though your assumptions in this case are likely. I was just wondering if they were proven to be true!
Many assumptions on this forum fail over time, but are never corrected.....


Why draw biased conclusions
when you can draw a
Straightline

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by Straightline

Assumptions are always easy - Though your assumptions in this case are likely. I was just wondering if they were proven to be true!
Many assumptions on this forum fail over time, but are never corrected.....


Why draw biased conclusions
when you can draw a
Straightline

This is true. Just like newspapers, when they make a mistake we can never find where they correct it!

Normally, I do not like to make assumptions unless I am quite sure of the perameters of the situation. However, if my assumptions are incorrect in this case, I will apologize.

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

The report is in the last issue of the Apostolic World Report, published by Pentecom, a group of UPCI (some now former UPCI) ministers. I don't know where you could obtain a copy, though they send them to thousands of preachers. I no longer have mine.

If you ask around you may find someone on this forum willing to scan you a copy.

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

This is true. Just like newspapers, when they make a mistake we can never find where they correct it!

Normally, I do not like to make assumptions unless I am quite sure of the perameters of the situation. However, if my assumptions are incorrect in this case, I will apologize.

It is interesting that you mention newspapers making mistakes and seldom correcting them........the article (which I do not have a copy of at this time) you have quoted as your source for this information about SB was printed in a magazine, which has admitted (check with them for yourselves) that the writer of the article misquoted SB, and that it was not edited to show the corrected statements. However, since it is an "Apostolic" publication I guess there is no room for error.

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by bishoph

It is interesting that you mention newspapers making mistakes and seldom correcting them........the article (which I do not have a copy of at this time) you have quoted as your source for this information about SB was printed in a magazine, which has admitted (check with them for yourselves) that the writer of the article misquoted SB, and that it was not edited to show the corrected statements. However, since it is an "Apostolic" publication I guess there is no room for error.

SB says he was misquoted, whatever that means. Maybe he mispoke himeself. If that is the case, there were many times where he was misquoted throughout the article. There were not just untrue or incorrect statements. The article itself was filled with them. It is hard to see this as a simple misquoting. If I were him I would be sure to see the record set straight in a prominent way in the next issue of the AWR.

The article stated that SB went to Bahol and began a work where there were no churches, just a few constituents, and now there are forty churches as a result of his efforts (Wrong; There were many churches and constituents already there. He met with island pastors prior to his crusade. Where do you think the people came from?) Since we are in our "check the facts" mode, you should call the officials in the area to confirm.

He planned the crusade after meeting a couple that was waiting for him. (The crusade was a part of the DREAM TEAM crusades which were planned months in advance. The venue and hotels had already been scouted out and selected by someone else previously).

The crusade was represented as his effort solely. There are no other names mentioned or alluded to in the article. (SB was the captain of a DT team who participated in the funding and execution of the crusade in question).

The crusade was a great success. This is true. It was. I understand SB has had others that were successful also.

There are others, but my memory will not give me more at this time. I have no desire to place anyone's reputation in doubt, but if this is a missions leader for the WPF, it would behoove them to set the record straight in a more convincing manner than just, "he was misquoted."

BTW, I wonder who misquoted him? Are the producers of the AWR so inept they would misquote almost the whole article? Mabey we should ask the silent saint donating their time, who is accused of this horrible mistake, what they think?

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Straightline

Has it been established that SB & Co is in fact meeting with UPCI pastors?? The initial post on this thread put that as a question - Is it now a fact? Did I miss the verifying post? Thanks!

Logical conclusions form by
keeping the facts in a
Straightline

Quit asking uncomfortable questions.

[Weary Pilgrim]

Originally Posted by Straightline

Assumptions are always easy - Though your assumptions in this case are likely. I was just wondering if they were proven to be true!
Many assumptions on this forum fail over time, but are never corrected.....


Why draw biased conclusions
when you can draw a
Straightline

Many assumptions have failed on this forum and other forums.

Now,let's talk about the ones that were denied but ended up being true.

For instance,when it was reported months ago that an organization was being formed.it was vigorously denied.

I have yet to see this corrected have you?

[NW Pastor]

Originally Posted by Thumper

Quit asking uncomfortable questions.

Hey Thumper. Nice to hear from you.

I thought uncomfortable questions were to be avoided? Such as;

1. Are these guys, who claim a only a fellowship, really forming an organization?

2. Can you really be a part of two organizations at once?

3. How many men actually left the UPCI for the WPF?

These are all questions that are said to lead to gossip, according to some. If I might wax simplistic, if we don't ask the questions, we can't get the answers.

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

Hey Thumper. Nice to hear from you.

I thought uncomfortable questions were to be avoided? Such as;

1. Are these guys, who claim a only a fellowship, really forming an organization?

2. Can you really be a part of two organizations at once?

3. How many men actually left the UPCI for the WPF?

These are all questions that are said to lead to gossip, according to some. If I might wax simplistic, if we don't ask the questions, we can't get the answers.

Agree

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

Hey Thumper. Nice to hear from you.

I thought uncomfortable questions were to be avoided? Such as;

1. Are these guys, who claim a only a fellowship, really forming an organization?

2. Can you really be a part of two organizations at once?

3. How many men actually left the UPCI for the WPF?

These are all questions that are said to lead to gossip, according to some. If I might wax simplistic, if we don't ask the questions, we can't get the answers.

These questions do not lead to gossip. But I believe they have already been answered, and many refused the answers.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by NW Pastor

Hey Thumper. Nice to hear from you.

I thought uncomfortable questions were to be avoided? Such as;

1. Are these guys, who claim a only a fellowship, really forming an organization?

2. Can you really be a part of two organizations at once?

3. How many men actually left the UPCI for the WPF?

These are all questions that are said to lead to gossip, according to some. If I might wax simplistic, if we don't ask the questions, we can't get the answers.

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