QUESTION: DId only 72 or 225 join WPF???????

[PocatelloApostolic]

Originally Posted by tv1a

With the "?PROVEN LIES?" and inaccuracies from the World Pharisee Federation, I find it difficult to beleive the Tulsa Tango was a God sanction event.

What "PROVEN LIES"? They were very careful to clear up any mis-led concerns or misunderstandings at the Q&A session on Friday afternoon at the meeting. Maybe YOU should have gone!

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by PocatelloApostolic

What "PROVEN LIES"? They were very careful to clear up any mis-led concerns or misunderstandings at the Q&A session on Friday afternoon at the meeting. Maybe YOU should have gone!

Don't bother...this guy thinks that anyone having a shred of holiness beliefs included in their faith is a legalist. These folks know AAAAALLLL about the WPF especially since they were willing to give a benefit of a doubt and attend the inaugural sessions.

Now they can give a FIRST-HAND account of the direction and vision given by the leadership of this fellowship.

[tv1a]

I believe if you check the archives, I've posted the biblical principles I live by on this forum. Check it out. Find out which princples you have a problem with. Point them out. Not one claiming a consrvative leaning had one thing to say. I dare say my principles are more in line with the Word than the World Pharisee Federation. I treat the internet with the same intensity as I do television. I don't have to find loopholes to justify why I can have the internet. Legalism?

When doesn't have to attend an Italiam restaruant to know what goes on in a Mafia meeting. There are enough facts out there to prove their actions are less than honorable.

Originally Posted by Jekyll

Don't bother...this guy thinks that anyone having a shred of holiness beliefs included in their faith is a legalist. These folks know AAAAALLLL about the WPF especially since they were willing to give a benefit of a doubt and attend the inaugural sessions.

Now they can give a FIRST-HAND account of the direction and vision given by the leadership of this fellowship.

[Whole Hearted]

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by tv1a

I believe if you check the archives, I've posted the biblical principles I live by on this forum. Check it out. Find out which princples you have a problem with. Point them out. Not one claiming a consrvative leaning had one thing to say. I dare say my principles are more in line with the Word than the World Pharisee Federation. I treat the internet with the same intensity as I do television. I don't have to find loopholes to justify why I can have the internet. Legalism?

When doesn't have to attend an Italiam restaruant to know what goes on in a Mafia meeting. There are enough facts out there to prove their actions are less than honorable.

Leave it to tv to equate the WPF to a Mafia meeting in the basement of an Italian restaurant.

Sorry, pal, the WPF was formed by free will with those who have expressed their free will by possibly leaving the UPC. When an organization forces a change to its foundation therby nullifying core beliefs change of membership may be needed. One doesn't have to stand on a mountain in the pathof a rock slide to know that erosion of solidity has taken place.

Pharisees? Mafia? These are the groups who have damaged ethical choices of freedom akin to the damage the illegalists who have bypassed the AOF for years have caused to the UPC.

[tv1a]

The wpf was started by men who reasons for leaving are absurd. It is obvious they don't believe in principle. If so when Larry Booker announced at a conference a police officer at his church arrested over 40 people for sexual crimes using the internet, he would have said the internet needed to be banned. I haven't heard of 40 people in a year being arrested for watching television. It doesn't take a mensa meeting to see the lack of principle in their stance. Disguising meetings prior to GC, formulating game plans to succeed from the union. They are operating in direct violation of scripture. Romans 14 comes to mind as other scriptures.


You need to reread your history of the upci. The foundation was not based on television. The foundation was based on One God/Acts 2:38. It wasn't until the 1970's that television became an issue. The lies purportrated by anti-tv advertising have been debunked. ALJC has always permitted television. They haven't compromised Acts 2:38 or the One God messge one iota.

The founders of WPF were not forced to leave. Their unbiblical views were defeated. So they started an organization which still has inconsistent principles.

Originally Posted by Jekyll

Leave it to tv to equate the WPF to a Mafia meeting in the basement of an Italian restaurant.

Sorry, pal, the WPF was formed by free will with those who have expressed their free will by possibly leaving the UPC. When an organization forces a change to its foundation therby nullifying core beliefs change of membership may be needed. One doesn't have to stand on a mountain in the pathof a rock slide to know that erosion of solidity has taken place.

Pharisees? Mafia? These are the groups who have damaged ethical choices of freedom akin to the damage the illegalists who have bypassed the AOF for years have caused to the UPC.

[WyoPastor]

Originally Posted by tv1a

ALJC has always permitted television. They haven't compromised Acts 2:38 or the One God messge one iota.

So, when the G family withdrew from the UPCI over women preachers in the 60's they joined a group that approved TV's?

[StillStanding]

Can WPF survive the test of time?

When organizations or fellowships are young, the passion and enthusiasm are contagious. A fire fills the air. Everyone takes note, perhaps with alarm, of this new emerging force.

But, over time, leadership and core teams and committees can begin to tire and dwindle. The organization or fellowship then begins to take on bureaucratic tendencies as many people, once committed, return to their previous existence.

How do you sustain?

1. Establish a culture and purpose (check!)
2. Leaders with excellent leadership skills (Some seem to have - let's wait and see!)
3. Ability to Manage Change! Oops!

The whole reason for their existence is because they couldn't handle change! Oh well........

[tv1a]

What does that have to do with Acts 2:38 or ONE God? The lie purportrated by anti television movement is the message is compromised. Proof in pudding that isn't true. Women preachers is a separate issue from Acts 2:38

Originally Posted by WyoPastor

So, when the G family withdrew from the UPCI over women preachers in the 60's they joined a group that approved TV's?

[George]

Originally Posted by PocatelloApostolic

What "PROVEN LIES"? They were very careful to clear up any mis-led concerns or misunderstandings at the Q&A session on Friday afternoon at the meeting. Maybe YOU should have gone!

If you consider yourself a minister, you should know how wrong it is to listen to one side of a story. You listened to their side of the story and took it as fact. Furthermore, they have listed answers on their website so attendance in Tulsa was not necessary to hear their response. I felt their answers were quite defensive and had loopholes so big an attorney would enjoy jumping through them. I'm glad I didn't go.

If I may ask, what will the WPF do when TV is obsolete and entirely run through computers? TV as it is currently known will be equal to an eight track stereo in less than five years. Will you then give up your computers? In fact, all computers on the market have TV receivers built in.