The "Abomination that Maketh Desolate"

[Lafon]

Daniel 11:31
And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Desolate:
deserted, abandoned, devoid of inhabitants or visitors, destitute, dissolute, deprivation, depopulate, barren, void, empty, forsaken, stark (Webster’s 3rd New International Dictionary, copyright 1986 by Merriam-Webster Inc)

Jesus said:
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand;...) (Matthew 24:15) (see also Mark 13:14)

It is a commonly held belief that the phrases - “abomination that maketh desolate” and “abomination of desolation” - are references to the coming manifestation of the evil invisible spirit of Satan in human flesh [frequently called the “Anti-Christ”], an event which is prophesied throughout the Bible as one which is to transpire in the closing days of the present age.

Taking into consideration Webster’s definition of the word “desolate,” then one must pause and consider this important question: What entity (that is to say, thing with distinct and independent existence) shall the coming Anti-Christ “make desolate” following his manifestation in human flesh upon the earth, and through what means shall this exceptional “desolation” occur? Will it be a newly built Jewish temple in the city of Jerusalem that is to be rendered barren, void, empty, etc... (a belief common among many today), or do these phrases imply that the entire earth will be made "desolate" by the coming Anti-Christ?

What say ye? I would enjoy reading what some of the end-time prophecy “buffs” of this forum have to say concerning this matter. [And please, provide scriptural support for your views.]

[Beard]

abomination of desolation is the transgression of desolation because of sins/transgressions; notice it stands where it ought not, exalting itself against God or all that is worshipped, so that he as God, sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Rev. 11 speaks of a time, times, and dividing of time when the city shall be trodden under foot; at the same time God gives power to the church, the two witness so that they will prophesy a 1,260 days. We don't worry about the devil, we let the devil worry about us.... if the trumpet gives an uncertain sound, who shall prepare for the battle. the battle is the day of the battle of the Lord which we as the church must prepare for. Preparation (God will prepare or establish) is one of the two pillars of Solomon's temple being Jachin, the other Boaz meaning God will strengthen (same as Ezekiel). Jachin speaks of David who made preparation for the temple; and Boaz speaks of Solomon who built the temple...Solomon's temple was dedicated in Tishri (the 7th month) in contrast to Moses' tabernacle which was dedicated in the first month of Abib. There are two entirely different seasons, for it is in the month of Tishri or 7th month when Haggai (the Feast prophet) writes that the latter house will be greater than the former. The abomination of desolation stands behind many pulpits of today, not realizing the spiritual rather than the letter.

[gloryseeker]

Interesting question. Can I pose another question related to yours? Given the prophetic utterances you listed about the desolation how then does the following fit in:

Matt 24:36-38
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, (KJV)

Eating, drinking, marrying sounds more like a party atmosphere than a desolate atmosphere. Obviously the Word is right that which you posted and also these words of Jesus.

How then do both occur?

[ApostolicTexas]

Originally Posted by Lafon

Daniel 11:31
And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Desolate:
deserted, abandoned, devoid of inhabitants or visitors, destitute, dissolute, deprivation, depopulate, barren, void, empty, forsaken, stark (Webster’s 3rd New International Dictionary, copyright 1986 by Merriam-Webster Inc)

Jesus said:
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand;...) (Matthew 24:15) (see also Mark 13:14)

It is a commonly held belief that the phrases - “abomination that maketh desolate” and “abomination of desolation” - are references to the coming manifestation of the evil invisible spirit of Satan in human flesh [frequently called the “Anti-Christ”], an event which is prophesied throughout the Bible as one which is to transpire in the closing days of the present age.

Taking into consideration Webster’s definition of the word “desolate,” then one must pause and consider this important question: What entity (that is to say, thing with distinct and independent existence) shall the coming Anti-Christ “make desolate” following his manifestation in human flesh upon the earth, and through what means shall this exceptional “desolation” occur? Will it be a newly built Jewish temple in the city of Jerusalem that is to be rendered barren, void, empty, etc... (a belief common among many today), or do these phrases imply that the entire earth will be made "desolate" by the coming Anti-Christ?

What say ye? I would enjoy reading what some of the end-time prophecy “buffs” of this forum have to say concerning this matter. [And please, provide scriptural support for your views.]

I would like to add..the audience of this whole chapter 24 is the disciples..This is Jesus telling THEM what THEY will see in THEIR lifetime

[Sister Alvear]

their lifetime?

[ApostolicTexas]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

their lifetime?

Yes..Please look at Matthew 24 and notice all the personal pronouns..YOU

vs 1-And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.{who came to him?}

vs 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto YOU, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. {Jesus speaking to who?..disciples}

vs 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
{Discisples came to him and said..TELL US} and the rest of the chapter unfolds with Jesus telling THEM..again look at the YOU's throughout}

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive YOU. Jesus speaking to who?

Please read the rest of this chapter even though I am sure you have read this countless times..but notice all the YOU's as this is Jesus speaking to his disciples..even in the popular verse 15

When YE{disciples} therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

They were to see this happen in THEIR lifetime..it is very interesting I would think..

[Sister Alvear]

Dear Texas Friend...you must be of the same group of Elder Bloom. I personally feel different about this subject however I do not feel it is a heaven or hell issue for we will know exactly what it means at some point. May God bless you and please pray for us on the mission field.

[ApostolicTexas]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Dear Texas Friend...you must be of the same group of Elder Bloom. I personally feel different about this subject however I do not feel it is a heaven or hell issue for we will know exactly what it means at some point. May God bless you and please pray for us on the mission field.

I can agree that it is NOT a salvational issue..and I respect your feelings but at the same time I believe the scriptures speak for themselves.Go to any bookstore in America and you will see the shelves for "end times"just full and about every author and their uncle has wrote a book about what they think will happen.What you will not find is a book on what DID happen and what is found in Matthew 24.Those personal pronouns {YOU's} are hard to ignore and many people have been taught to slide themselves into those verses instead of allowing those scriptures to speak for themselves..I respect anyone who disagrees but it is not me they are disagreeing with it is in their own bible as well..The scriptures had an original audience and we fail to look through the eyes of that 1st century church.I cannot say I am total agreement with Elder Blume but we do see some things the same..

Your ministry will be in my prayers.God Bless

[Sister Alvear]

Would that mean that every time the Bible used YOU or YOUR it meant to those at that moment?
Would that not mean Acts 2:38 applies only to those Peter spoke to? ( I am seriously asking this question)

[ApostolicTexas]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Would that mean that every time the Bible used YOU or YOUR it meant to those at that moment?
Would that not mean Acts 2:38 applies only to those Peter spoke to? ( I am seriously asking this question)

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Would that mean that every time the Bible used YOU or YOUR it meant to those at that moment?
Would that not mean Acts 2:38 applies only to those Peter spoke to? ( I am seriously asking this question)

Sister Alvear..God Bless your heart.I really appreciate what you do in the field and you hold my dearest respect.I believe you are serious when you ask this question and I hope you believe that I am serious in my responses.I love the Lord and I do not want to mis-lead anyone but I also believe we have the written Word of God to stand on and by saying that I believe it is up to us to read this book and allow it to interpret itself and allow the Word to explain.One of the hardest things I had ever experienced in my walk with God was realizing the originality of the scriptures and by what I mean is..realizing to whom the original audience was..I was taught to open the Bible to the NT and believe when I read scripture..such as the Epistles and believe this was Paul writing directly and personally to me.This is how I used to read scriptures.But please allow me to give a good example..Look at 1 Cor 15:1-6


Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

Do you see it?..If I was to read this verse As it is..it is saying some of the witnesses who saw Christ after He arose from the dead..was still alive unto this day..Now you and I both know we do not have witnesses walking on this earth today..who are older than 2,000 years old..But if were to read and understand the concept that scripture is "audience revelant"it would not be hard to understand that this was Paul speaking to the Church in Corinth some 2000 years ago..back to your question...


Would that mean that every time the Bible used YOU or YOUR it meant to those at that moment?

My anwser is...YES..this is what I believe..I am reading what was said to someone else..Matthew 24 alone is full of personal pronouns where Jesus spoke directly to his audience the disciples..


Would that not mean Acts 2:38 applies only to those Peter spoke to? ( I am seriously asking this question

my anwser again is yes...However....When we allow scripture to interpret scripture..We can know Jesus gave Peter the keys to the KOG..We can read where PEter went to each group of people found in scripture..the Jew,Samaritan,Gentile..and to each group HE opened the door to salvation..We can also read what Paul told the Church in Ephesus..2:20..

We know the message Peter gave is Acts 2:38..and we also know the promise is to ALL that are AFAR off..and we can read in John 17:20


Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

This scripture plainly tells us that the Apostles were going to be responsible for preaching the message Jesus gave them to proclaim..It is amazing today that millions do not see it.We as Apostlics know the Apostles were part of the foundation and we are to be built upon their teaching..so when We read Acts 2:38..yes that was Peter speaking to THAT crowd THAT DAY but we should also be able to understand that this is the salvation message..and we need to obey the original plan and message Jesus gave to his apostles for the entire world..{Jn 17:20}.

It is interesting that we as believers do not have a hard time believing AND accepting the fact that the OT is history.We know when we read the OT we are reading the story of Israel..it is history..YET you and I can still turn to the Psalms to find comfort,Proverbs to find wisdom,We can read in Judges about the heroics of Sampson and in Samuel the story of David and his mighty men and the rest of the story about Israel..we have no problem of believing and understanding this about the OT but for some reason when it comes to the NT we get side tracked and have a hard time accepting that the NT also is history..yet we can STILL gain incredible insight and wisdom from that 1st century church..I hope I have helped some