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Old 02-24-2008, 07:12 PM
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Re: Sickness because of sin.

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[23] Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:49 AM
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Re: Sickness because of sin.

There is a book out called "under the influence." It is a good book on the historical and biblical aspects of the usage of the word wine throughout the Bible. It was written by a Canadian pastor, but I can't remember his name. I have the book in my office.

You should get it and do some study because wine is a mocker...
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Old 02-25-2008, 11:44 AM
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There is a book out called "under the influence." It is a good book on the historical and biblical aspects of the usage of the word wine throughout the Bible. It was written by a Canadian pastor, but I can't remember his name. I have the book in my office.

You should get it and do some study because wine is a mocker...
THE best book I've seen on the subject is "God Gave Wine" by Kenneth Gentry. Not too long and very biblical.
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Old 02-25-2008, 12:18 PM
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Sin is directly connected to sickness many times.I think people have sickness in their life for trials, like Job and some have sickness to keep them from sinning as Paul did with the thorn in his flesh at first but I think sickness for these reasons, people are healed from. Then people who are sick because of sin in their life, they will be healed if they repent and stay repented.
James 5:13: Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14: Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16: Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much
Sorry this is not sound doctrine.

Can someone bring sickness of themselves because of depression and worry?

Yes.

Is all sickness related to a sin or action. No...
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Old 02-25-2008, 01:32 PM
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Re: Sickness because of sin.

The book that I am referring to is "Under the Influence...what the Bible says about drinking alcohol" by Keith Johnson - christiancentre.ca
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Old 02-25-2008, 07:21 PM
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Re: Sickness because of sin.

Think i'll stick with the bible and not mans books.

Math.14:22: And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.
23: And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.
24: And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
25: Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.



Wine and strong drink, like whisky

Prov.20:1: Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Luke 7:
[33] For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil. [34] The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!
Jesus drank wine.

John.2
[1] And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
[2] And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
[3] And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
[4] Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
[5] His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
[6] And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
[7] Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
[8] And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
[9] When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom

Isa.28:7: But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.



NOTE> excess (More the necessary)

Eph.5:17: Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
18: And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;


1 Tim.3: 1: This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2: A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3: Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4: One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5: (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6: Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7: Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8: Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;


1 Tim.5:23: Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. (sickness)

Titus2:3: The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things
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Old 02-25-2008, 07:53 PM
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Re: Sickness because of sin.

Jesus made wine. Case closed.

(And man continues to try to make it back into grape juice.)
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Old 02-25-2008, 11:25 PM
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Re: Sickness because of sin.

I have no problem with the fact that Jesus turned the water into wine. I personally don't think that if a person has a glass of wine that they are going to hell, but wine is a mocker and there is nothing beneficial in it.

So my question comes to, "Why?" It's carnal, it has no nutritional value, your liver was not designed to process alcohol. My wife and I used to go get some wine once in awhile. We never got drunk or drank in excess. It was not an every night or even an every weekend event. But this I know, every time I would have it I was convicted in my Spirit. I knew that God was not pleased with me having it.

Furthermore, in our society where alcohol is widely abused why do we even want the appearance of evil, why would we want to possibly be a stumbling block for another, and why would we even want to take a chance that the 1 in whatever possibility that we could come to a place to abuse it?

God has called us to be set apart, to live clean, to be an example. Of course I would take this same position with food. Too many in the church are condemning people of their sins while they are obese? Gluttony is just as much a sin as adultery.
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Old 02-25-2008, 11:34 PM
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I have no problem with the fact that Jesus turned the water into wine. I personally don't think that if a person has a glass of wine that they are going to hell, but wine is a mocker and there is nothing beneficial in it.

So my question comes to, "Why?" It's carnal, it has no nutritional value, your liver was not designed to process alcohol. My wife and I used to go get some wine once in awhile. We never got drunk or drank in excess. It was not an every night or even an every weekend event. But this I know, every time I would have it I was convicted in my Spirit. I knew that God was not pleased with me having it.

Furthermore, in our society where alcohol is widely abused why do we even want the appearance of evil, why would we want to possibly be a stumbling block for another, and why would we even want to take a chance that the 1 in whatever possibility that we could come to a place to abuse it?

God has called us to be set apart, to live clean, to be an example. Of course I would take this same position with food. Too many in the church are condemning people of their sins while they are obese? Gluttony is just as much a sin as adultery.
Oh please. Let's stop with that 'all fat people are gluttons' mentality.

I'm sure you are just the picture of perfect health, am I right?
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Old 02-26-2008, 11:00 AM
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Re: Sickness because of sin.

You have a unique way of twisting words. I did not say that all fat people are gluttons. There are some medical conditions that cause this, but by and far if you are overweight it is because you eat wrong and/or too much, which is a deeper problem that is typically being masked.

As for me, no. I am not a picture of perfect health, nor am I at the right weight level. I am about 15-20 pounds overweight and it is because I do not control that carnal side of me that is to be crucified. If I would live in moderation as the Bible describes I would be at the right weight level.

The thing I think is the most profound is how we think that the things God has said doesn't mean anything. We live in a society that does not want to take responsibility and because of that we think that this thing called the Bible is just a guideline that we can pick and choose over, making excuses for everyone.
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