The Ministry of Ham

[Digging4Truth]

Please do note though... that Sanballat was in league with Tobiah.

Nehemiah was indeed a builder and also a voice which was harsh in Jerusalem.

One of the strongest moves Nehemiah made was in chasing out Tobiah (Sanballats good bud). Tobiah was big buds with the priests and the priests had emptied the tithing storehouse, taken over the distribution of the tithe from the Levites and had housed Tobiah ( an ammonite who, by the law of God, was not to be allowed in the congregation much less shacked up in the storehouse) where the tithes should have been kept.

The relationship with Nehemiah and such outsiders as Tobiah & Sanballat has more to do with Nehemiahs actual chastising of the priesthood for their departure from the laws of God.

You might want to rethink using that example.

[RevDWW]

1 Peter 4:8 (KJV) And above all things have fervent [stretched out, metaphorically intent, earnestly, assiduously] charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover [to hide, veil, to hinder the knowledge of a thing]
the multitude of sins.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

1 Peter 4:8 (KJV) And above all things have fervent [stretched out, metaphorically intent, earnestly, assiduously] charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover [to hide, veil, to hinder the knowledge of a thing]
the multitude of sins.

Are you the SWORDSMAN?????

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Are you the SWORDSMAN?????

Nope, I'm just plain ole RevDWW, and no other.

I figure why use my words when His do just fine.

[BrotherEastman]

Nicely written Coonskinner.

[Scott Hutchinson]

What is so terrible about Ham 's misdeed is is that Caanan was affected, we must remember that what we do has a lasting affect on somebody somewhere.

[Carpenter]

Awesome post Coonskinner.

The moral of the story for Ham was that he had to do something but he acted without wisdom. It sounds to me as though it would have been as big a sin to go back down the mountain and pretend that he did not see the problem.

He should have addressed the problem wisely, with dignity, and the grace his father had.

Ham was not cursed because he saw a problem, he was cursed because he didn't have the integrity or character or respect for his father to deal with it on his own...there was indeed a problem, and it did need to be dealt with.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

The past few days I have been thinking about some of the things I read, and the consistent theme of criticism that seems to pervade the communication of some.

I will be the first to agree that there are problems in the Apostolic movement, both in the pulpit and in the pew. This is true of any group, because of a little thing called humanity.

But I am repulsed by the attitude that seems to be driven to expose and highlight every flaw and vulnerability and weakness both in the Church and in the ministry. I believe this is an insidious spirit that often gets a grip on people when they have been wounded or treated unjustly.

Hams attitude was to humiliate Noah. "Ha-ha pants are down"
That was Ham's problem.

Those that have left a hurtful, stressful, abusive.. etc. situation ; do not find it very funny at all.

Noah was not a bad guy, Nor did he do anything to Hurt Ham.

UPC, Preachers, Pastors, Brethren hurt each other every day.

This "bad attitude" you detest, is the body of Christ saying, "OUCH!"

And you may ask how did we hurt you.

We then tell you, every flaw because you asked.

But you seem to not care and say move on, do not be bitter, forgive.

But UPC and others are not an Innocent Noah caught with his Pants down.

It's at hurtful people holding on to a Blanket that covers their shameful
ways,

and they do not want any one jerking the covers off, while they hide in their tent.

You Coon may very well be Innocent Noah.

But your family is not.

But yet you fight to keep the covers on too and not correct the shame.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Hams attitude was to humiliate Noah. "Ha-ha pants are down"
That was Ham's problem.

Those that have left a hurtful, stressful, abusive etc. situation do not find it very funny at all.

Noah was not a bad guy, Nor did he do anything to Hurt Ham.

UPC, Preachers, Pastors, Brethren hurt each other every day.

This "bad attitude" you detest, is the body of Christ saying, "OUCH!"

And you may ask how did we hurt you.

We then tell you, every flaw because you asked.

But you seem to not care and say move on, do not be bitter, forgive.

But UPC and others are not an Innocent Noah caught with his Pants down.

It's at hurtful people holding on to a Blanket that covers their shameful
ways,

and they do not want any one jerking the covers off, while they hide in their tent.

You Coon may very well be Innocent Noah.

But your family is not.

But yet you fight to keep the covers on too and not correct the shame.

Coop, you are hunting a fly with a shotgun...you may hit it, but what difference will it make either way? You are setting yourself up for reproach.

Read my post above...it may help.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Awesome post Coonskinner.

The moral of the story for Ham was that he had to do something but he acted without wisdom. It sounds to me as though it would have been as big a sin to go back down the mountain and pretend that he did not see the problem.

He should have addressed the problem wisely, with dignity, and the grace his father had.

Ham was not cursed because he saw a problem, he was cursed because he didn't have the integrity or character or respect for his father to deal with it on his own...there was indeed a problem, and it did need to be dealt with.

Well then in this case, UPC is Ham.