CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay church

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Good grief.
Your line of reasoning there does not make a whole lot of sense.

Yes, gluttony is sin. Yes, gossiping is sin, etc. But...

There are no churches that have been founded for the purpose of promoting gluttony, or gossiping, or lying, or thievery, etc. But "gay-accepting" churches have been founded to promote acceptance of homosexuality. These churches by their very existence, are in denial of, and rebellion against, the word of God!

Why is it so hard for you to see the very clear distinction there?

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If professing Christians really can't see how "gay churches" are related to the larger "gay movement" affecting our society, and how "gay churches" are being used by the devil to undermine God's design of family and sexuality, then in my mind, these believers have serious issues concerning spiritual perception, discernment, and judgment. No wonder so many churches are powerless today.

tv la, and others, have you read this post? It is THE post for this thread, as far as I'm concerned.

To even be questioning if this is wrong or not is a sad situation, and shows just how far the 'church' has gotten from God.

I shouldn't be surprised...........this has to be the last days we're living in.

[chosenbyone]

Mark 2

13Once again Jesus went out beside the lake. A large crowd came to him, and he began to teach them. 14As he walked along, he saw Levi son of Alphaeus sitting at the tax collector's booth. "Follow me," Jesus told him, and Levi got up and followed him.
15While Jesus was having dinner at Levi's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. 16When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the "sinners" and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: "Why does he eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?"

17On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Mark 2

13Once again Jesus went out beside the lake. A large crowd came to him, and he began to teach them. 14As he walked along, he saw Levi son of Alphaeus sitting at the tax collector's booth. "Follow me," Jesus told him, and Levi got up and followed him.
15While Jesus was having dinner at Levi's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. 16When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the "sinners" and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: "Why does he eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?"

17On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Chosenbyone, every time we have a family reunion, I eat with sinners...........namely, some homosexuals. I love them dearly, and have great compassion for them. They know this.

What I have a problem with is going to a known 'gay church' and fellowshipping with them, and from everything I read on here, saying 'you're ok'. Do you really believe they're ok? If the bible is plain on anything, it's plain on the sin of homosexuality.

A few years ago, Holy Ghost filled people would never have dreamed of going to a 'gay' church.......unless it was to preach to them, and make them aware of their sin. Amazing how we can be rocked to sleep after only a few years.

I again wonder........what's gotten into people?

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Exupcer

The above man stated.....

I have no fear of gays. I have several friends that are homosexual. What I do fear is the ONE Who can destroy not only my body but also my soul. What he deems as an abomination I have no right to contradict.

Do you think Cece is going to tell anybody at this church that they need to leave their lifestyle???????
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So, tell us about your 'friendship' with homosexuals. This is interesting. I have also made some new friends as of late who are gay. Why do you believe that it is OK for you to be a friend to homosexuals, several of them you are friends with you state, yet you do not believe that Jesus is a friend to them? Are you claiming to be MORE friendly than Jesus? Do you associate with those whom you believe Jesus does not? Do you accept as friends those whom God does not? Is this because you are better than God or worse than God? If you are their friend and God is not...then you are not on the same page with God, and from your ultra conservative view, would that not put your own soul in jeapordy?

What do you and your gay friends do? Explain please. We want to know, since you seem to write about this much, and have 'several' as friends. Is homosexuality something that you struggle with in secret? Just wondering, since you seem at ease with them as friends, yet struggle with religious acceptance of them. Is this a conflict between your heart and head?

You make some very interesting assertions. I have some friends that I've known all, or most, of my life and later in life they declared themselves to be gay. I still remain friends. They know where I stand. We are not 'hang out buddies' as they have chosen a sinful path but they know they still have a friend that if they choose to forsake their sin and turn to Christ I will help anyway I can. In no way do they think I condone their choice.

Do I think I'm better than God? Your stupidity is showing! I'm instructed to be an example to those that do not know Christ. While He was on earth He ate with sinners but in no way condoned their lives. I am and will do the same and be available if God chooses to convict them. I will continue, as the opportunity arises, to witness to them and pray for them. I have no latent homosexual tendencies and I don't struggle with religious acceptance of them. They are going to an eternity of punishment if they don't come to a place of true repentance.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Perhaps, the conflict originated when he left the Apostolic church and became a Presbyterian?

Sure. That's it!

[Prodigal]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

I have no fear of gays. I have several friends that are homosexual. What I do fear is the ONE Who can destroy not only my body but also my soul. What he deems as an abomination I have no right to contradict.

NewWine said: "Keeping company with homosexuals and lesbians is not biblical. The word of the Lord instructs about the company that we keep. When you hang around those that are possessed with demonic spirits those spirits will get a hold of you".

Take heed ReformedDave!!! It's not in effect a "curse" like you say. It's a DEMON and it will get a hold of you!! Beware of the company you keep.

[Prodigal]

This is absolutely true. When one is possessed they cannot cry out to God because that spirit will not let them. So, let me tell you what I have witnessed. When one tries to call out to God that demon will roll their eyes into the back of their head, their tongue will stretch out of their mouth, that demon will tell them that are going to die, their body will contorted into ways that not even a gymnast can do! That persons will is bound, they cannot confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, that demon will not even let them repent!


Maybe they should try out for the olympics!! I can see the judges now.....a perfect score to the demon possessed homosexual...even with their eyes rolled into the back of their head..but we have to do something about that tongue hanging out.

Are you for real?

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Prodigal

Take heed ReformedDave!!! It's not in effect a "curse" like you say. It's a DEMON and it will get a hold of you!! Beware of the company you keep.

Where's scripture reference for the demon of homosexuality? Romans 1 doesn't indicate that at all. It comes from God taking His restraining hand off of depraved man.

BTW, as I stated before I don't hang out with them but if we're in a social situation I will not shun them either. BTW, a Christian cannot be demon possessed.

[Prodigal]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Where's scripture reference for the demon of homosexuality? Romans 1 doesn't indicate that at all. It comes from God taking His restraining hand off of depraved man.

BTW, as I stated before I don't hang out with them but if we're in a social situation I will not shun them either. BTW, a Christian cannot be demon possessed.

Originally Posted by NewWine

True we are to take care of our bodies and the scripture is very clear saying "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost..." I Corinthians 6:19. Those who can't say "no when their bellies are full"; need to learn some self control; not have a homosexual demon cast out of them.

Yes, Christians at times are gossipers, lie, cheat, steal, and do other sinful acts. "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus" Romans 3:23-26

As such we can fall to our knees, repent of our sins, and find forgiveness. However, homosexuality is not the same. A homosexual cannot simply fall to their knees as forgiveness and the blood of Christ wash over them. They need the laying on of hands and that homosexual demon cast out of them. I have laid hands on people and cast demons out of them, in particular homosexual. And I can assure you that their weight was not the issue, it was those demons that had them bound. So you cannot place a shortcoming such as gossiping on the same level as demonic oppression.

Don't ask me...ask NewWine.

[GodsBabyGirl]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

I read through the last few pages of this thread this evening and I thought that your posts showed compassion, love and understanding that many other posts on this thread lacked. A person was more likely to except the truth of salvation from someone who took the time to be a friend and who was willing to truly minister to them. Jesus exemplified that throughout his life and ministry when he befriended the sinners even at the cost of his reputation.

I was glad to see that you got it, sister!

Thank q for your comment...

Anyone is much more receptive to ministry of any kind when you minister from a standpoint of 'I am no better than you are. God can save, heal, deliver, etc. Your issue/sin is not too hard for God to handle. My issue isn't too hard for God to handle....'

What is eluding many in the ministry is that we must become all things to all so some can be saved. No, all won't be. But that doesn't mean we stop fishing just because the river is dirty.

When handling fish out of the MS, your hands will get dirty. When you take the fish off the hook, you will get a little soiled. It is not the most comfortable experience, that fishing.

I went one time with my grandma. There were mosquitoes everywhere! And they tore my hide up, ya heard?

She told me that sometimes snakes come out. And especially in the Deep South sometimes you'll see alligators!

But yet and all, despite the risk of the environment, many still partake of this leisurely activity. When they can just as easily go to a fish store and buy the fish, caught AND cleaned, packaged real nice ready to put in the pan and fry down with some cornbread.

But I know a few folk who won't buy seafood from the store. They actually PREFER to go out and risk the elements to catch fresh fish out the water, pack them on ice, have the truck or car stank as all get out, THEN go home and clean the fish up, which is just plain N.A.S.T.Y.!!!!!

Yet us fishers of men...well, we don't want to get our hands dirty. We don't want to risk the elements in FEAR that they will overtake us.

Here we got all power and authority, have the Word of God AND the Holy Ghost at our possession, and afraid or unable to use it.

We too scurred (scared) to go out and fish for souls in the lake of Sodom and Gomorrah. We too scurred that a demon may jump on us and we may actually get a buzz from all the perversion swarming all around us....for shame...

And that's cool if that's where we are at.

But if God leads someone else (CeCe) to get out of their comfort zone and go to the river instead of waiting for the fish to jump out of the water and VOILA! all of a sudden the fish (harvest) just jumped up in my net!!!!!

Let her alone. She is being led of God. And I admire the fact that she is getting out of her comfort zone and gone fishin!

We still in da boat!

Well, go ahead and wait for the fish to jump in your net. You know we got one (a net) on every corner. Maybe that poor fish would survive outta water longer than we think....