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[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner

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I think that's painting with an awful broad brush. "Pentecostals" aren't the only ones who call things of the devil. Many different "religions" call things that they don't agree with "of the devil" MANY people say that SPEAKING WITH TONGUES is of the devil.

I didn't say only Pentecostals or ALL Pentecostals.

Bro, it seems to me that you have an awful strong contempt for Apostolic people in the sense that you are pretty much always negative about the things that Apostolic people do and believe in. The tone with which you post is VERY NEGATIVE and just a bit on the condemning side. I rarely see you post with much positive insights and encouragment about what we do and believe in.

Oh brother. I wonder where this is really coming from. I believe in the truth and I Love the truth and I have no contempt for any body. I am very cautious about what happens in our ranks because not everything that happens is of God. I have been in the UPC over 20 years and have heard, seen and experienced a lot of things that were called "of God" or "of the Devil" that were in fact not. My pointing that out does not equate contempt for Apostolics. That is just absurd and I suspect a little biased on your part.

You seems to have great respect for Oneness and the New Birth Doctrine, but not much respect for those who preach it or live it.

I preach it and live it. I guess I disrespect myself too?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I have felt the presence of the enemy more times than I can count. Sometimes I know exactly what is going on and other times I don't have a clue what the Lord is trying to show me. The times when I don't have a clue I try to watch what is happening around me or think about what I'm thinking about. I believe that when God shows me the presence of the enemy that He is trying to make me aware of something for my good.

It doesn't scare me because I know it is God who is allowing me to sense the enemy's presence just as it is God who allows us to feel His presence. I just wish I understood it better.

I rarely, if ever, discuss this with anyone and this is the first time I've ever posted anything about this.

I remember a day when I was waking up in bed and felt a demonic presence near me, I couldn't move or talk and the demon was telling me how he was going to destroy my life. I had recently moved to Maryland just outside of Washington DC. It took everything within me to call on Jesus and move my arms...and the demon left. My marriage ended three years later. But this is not what I'm talking about when I say I can sense/feel the presence of the enemy at times.

Surely you've had similar experiences. These experiences make us more aware of the spiritual battles that we are fighting and how much we need to draw close to God.

I don't recall feeling the devil in a church song, either. Although there have been times in worship when I've felt like the songs were hyped up to appeal more to the flesh and not truly being directed at God. I wouldn't say "the devil" was behind that type of thing but our own flesh and carnal thinking. Like trying to drum up a move of God instead of fixing our minds on Him as we seek and let Him be the object of our worship. Sometimes we have to push into the presence of God by resisting all the thoughts that would distract us and turn our minds from worshipping Him. I do believe some of those distracting thoughts come from the enemy and I have to resist them to keep focussed. You will probably say I give the devil more credit than I should.

Im not sure what you mean by "felt" though. I have detected evil spirits, but I don't know that I can say I felt them....I mean I feel the Holy Spirit....But when I detected evil spirits it was not associated with a song though.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner

Bubba, demonic spirits and possession is nothing to joke about. I'm not afraid of the devil, but neither do I discount what he can do. I've seen it and experienced it first hand. It is not some stupid little game and nothing for anyone to make fun of.

Im not afraid of them either, obviously or I would not joke about them. I will continue to make fun of the devil and his minions at my leisure. Thank you.

BTW You can't quote me discounting what they can do. That is just your biased attempt to read something into my posts so you can take pop shots.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner

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I think that's painting with an awful broad brush. "Pentecostals" aren't the only ones who call things of the devil. Many different "religions" call things that they don't agree with "of the devil" MANY people say that SPEAKING WITH TONGUES is of the devil.

Bro, it seems to me that you have an awful strong contempt for Apostolic people in the sense that you are pretty much always negative about the things that Apostolic people do and believe in. The tone with which you post is VERY NEGATIVE and just a bit on the condemning side. I rarely see you post with much positive insights and encouragment about what we do and believe in.

You seems to have great respect for Oneness and the New Birth Doctrine, but not much respect for those who preach it or live it.

Oh BTW...why did I mention Pentecostals and not Methodists calling tongues of the devil or any other group? Because we are here talking about Pentecostals and Sister Alvear mentioned a visiting preacher who said HE felt the Devil in that song...Sorry but I stand by what I said, it happens often that because someone hears a song they are not used to the think it's of the devil or evil. I have seen it happen a lot in Pentecost. I have seen people with a mental illness called Demon possessed....and nobody cast out the devil. I stand by what I said. It was not broad brushing nor negative no condemning nor contemptuous and if you have rarely seen me post anything encouraging that just proves to me you are biased. I have posted a LOT of encouraging topics.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Im not sure what you mean by "felt" though. I have detected evil spirits, but I don't know that I can say I felt them....I mean I feel the Holy Spirit....But when I detected evil spirits it was not associated with a song though.

I'm not sure if I can or really want to explain it. But just like you feel the Holy Spirit, and I guess I should clarify, sometimes I feel the Spirit within me and other times upon me. Well, similarly to feeling the presence of God upon me, at times I feel the presence of the enemy. It doesn't feel the same as that of God's Spirit. This is difficult to explain.

For instance, the first time I felt the presence of the enemy was at a UPC conference in England years ago. I was sitting talking to someone to the left of me and felt the oddest presence pass in front of me. When I looked over to where I felt the presence this little girl was about to take a bite out of my arm. I pulled my arm away just in time!

There was a time when God would show me the presence of the enemy and I would just blow it off, because I didn't understand what He was showing me. I'm trying to be more sensitive to His Spirit now and praying for greater discernment.

Prax, I think I'll skip talking about this because I can't explain it well.

[Praxeas]

In any case, the point I am trying to get at is one person can supposedly feel a demon from a song and another says the opposite. We need to be careful that it's not really just our feelings

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Blaylock

I believe the better definition of what we have come to call signing is Interpretive Praise

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