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03-11-2008, 09:32 AM
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Re: Christ Did Not Send Me to Baptize?
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Originally Posted by Alter Ego
But if Dan is correct, and Paul only preached the gospel of Jesus' death, burial and resurrection.......that would mean Paul was saying God had not called him to tell the lost about repentance, baptism and the Holy Ghost.
How can we separate the Gospel and the response?
Why would Paul only retell the story without mentioning how to respond?
Was Paul a "saved at faith" teacher?
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We find various times Paul and Peter in Acts preaching and not once mention water baptism during the initial presentation of the Gospel.
Ex: at the temple ... to the governors, etc.
The taught we are saved by through faith ... the emphasis was alway placing our faith on the work of the Lamb and turning to Him (repentance_ for the remission of our sins.
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03-11-2008, 12:54 PM
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Re: Christ Did Not Send Me to Baptize?
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"For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel"
Is Paul separating baptism from the gospel?
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Not necessarily. He is separating prioties and actions. In Acts the immediate response to hearing the gospel was repentance and baptism and Paul DID indeed baptize people.
How can they be baptized if they have not heard?
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-11-2008, 12:55 PM
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Re: Christ Did Not Send Me to Baptize?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Not necessarily. He is separating prioties and actions. In Acts the immediate response to hearing the gospel was repentance and baptism and Paul DID indeed baptize people.
How can they be baptized if they have not heard?
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03-11-2008, 01:03 PM
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Re: Christ Did Not Send Me to Baptize?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Not necessarily. He is separating prioties and actions. In Acts the immediate response to hearing the gospel was repentance and baptism and Paul DID indeed baptize people.
How can they be baptized if they have not heard?
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Amen and focusing on I Cor, which AE opens with.
I Cor 6:11 speaks of being washed, sanctified and justified.
Heb 10:22 says our bodies are washed in pure water.
Romans 15:15 says we are sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
Romans 3:28 says we are justfied by our faith.
I don't see the message changing or being in question in any of the epistles.
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03-11-2008, 01:10 PM
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Re: Christ Did Not Send Me to Baptize?
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Amen and focusing on I Cor, which AE opens with.
I Cor 6:11 speaks of being washed, sanctified and justified.
Heb 10:22 says our bodies are washed in pure water.
Romans 15:15 says we are sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
Romans 3:28 says we are justfied by our faith.
I don't see the message changing or being in question in any of the epistles.
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Thank you and that is all very good. I want to say I believe in water baptism. However at this point I have to wonder what is meant by our bodies are washed? Since it's not our bodies that inherit eternal life. I wonder if this is maybe a reference to human nature?
Anyways, thanks
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-11-2008, 01:14 PM
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Re: Christ Did Not Send Me to Baptize?
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Thank you and that is all very good. I want to say I believe in water baptism. However at this point I have to wonder what is meant by our bodies are washed? Since it's not our bodies that inherit eternal life. I wonder if this is maybe a reference to human nature?
Anyways, thanks
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Sure it is referring to our human nature.
I Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"
This is obedience of our faith.
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03-11-2008, 11:44 PM
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Re: Christ Did Not Send Me to Baptize?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Thank you and that is all very good. I want to say I believe in water baptism. However at this point I have to wonder what is meant by our bodies are washed? Since it's not our bodies that inherit eternal life. I wonder if this is maybe a reference to human nature?
Anyways, thanks
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When we hear the word of God it gives us faith and washes us from sin.
Eph.5:25: Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;26: That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,(SEED)27: That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
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03-11-2008, 09:12 AM
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Re: Christ Did Not Send Me to Baptize?
Were Apollos, Paul, and Cephas baptizing people in their own name?
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11 My brothers, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12 What I mean is this: One of you says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas"; still another, "I follow Christ."
13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul? 14 I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 So no one can say that you were baptized into my name.
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Why did Paul neglect baptism?
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03-11-2008, 09:13 AM
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Re: Christ Did Not Send Me to Baptize?
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Were Apollos, Paul, and Cephas baptizing people in their own name?
11 My brothers, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12 What I mean is this: One of you says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas"; still another, "I follow Christ."
13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul? 14 I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 So no one can say that you were baptized into my name.
Why did Paul neglect baptism?
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I don't think he neglected baptism. He baptized the jailer the same night he believed in the Gospel of Jesus Christ ...
but he did not teach baptismal regeneration nor did the other apostles.
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03-11-2008, 09:17 AM
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Re: Christ Did Not Send Me to Baptize?
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I don't think he neglected baptism. He baptized the jailer the same night he believed in the Gospel of Jesus Christ ...
but he did not teach baptismal regeneration nor did the other apostles.
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Apparently he did.
The house of Stephanas and two others.
That's slim pickin's considering the thousands he preached to.
Would Paul be accepted in Apostolic ranks today?
What's up with this?
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