Christ Did Not Send Me to Baptize?

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by COOPER

You've got me there....I do not know. Maybe he had helpers?

Bump for A.E.

Sounds like he always had help.

Acts 15:22
Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
Acts 15:21-23 (in Context) Acts 15 (Whole Chapter)

[Jehoram]

Someone help us out here.

Is there a record of Paul preaching rpeentance, baptism and HG infilling to an unsaved person?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Paul implies repentance and turning to God.

Does he mention baptism?

No. But to that end, what good would it have done Agrippa to be baptized if he didn't even believe and repent? If one doesn't first have faith, then it seems that obedience is a moot point.

[Jehoram]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Bump for A.E.

Sounds like he always had help.

Not always. There were times when he was alone in His preaching.

[Jehoram]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

No. But to that end, what good would it have done Agrippa to be baptized if he didn't even believe and repent? If one doesn't first have faith, then it seems that obedience is a moot point.

But he never even mentioned the word baptism.

At all.

[Jehoram]

Paul's Mars Hill Sermon

Acts 17:

22Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.

23For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

24God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

25Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

26And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

27That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

28For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

29Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

30And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

32And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.

33So Paul departed from among them.

34Howbeit certain men clave unto him, and believed: among the which was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

Again, he preached the death, burial and resurrection.

No mention of baptism.

Why?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Not always. There were times when he was alone in His preaching.

Does it say for certain that he was alone?

Didn't Jesus instruct his disciples to go out two (or more) at a time?

Mark 6:7 And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two;

...or maybe that was just the teaching exercise for that semester.

John 20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

Can we safely assume that because something isn't recorded that it didn't happen? We can't say that it did, either, but considering other scriptures and overall context, I don't believe that Paul deemphasized any part of salvation.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Paul's Mars Hill Sermon

Acts 17:



Again, he preached the death, burial and resurrection.

No mention of baptism.

Why?

Maybe baptism isn't even relevant until after repentance? I don't know, AE, why don't you share your own conclusion?

"Why no mention of baptism?"

[Jehoram]

In Pisidian Antioch Acts 13

13From Paphos, Paul and his companions sailed to Perga in Pamphylia, where John left them to return to Jerusalem. 14From Perga they went on to Pisidian Antioch. On the Sabbath they entered the synagogue and sat down. 15After the reading from the Law and the Prophets, the synagogue rulers sent word to them, saying, "Brothers, if you have a message of encouragement for the people, please speak."
16Standing up, Paul motioned with his hand and said: "Men of Israel and you Gentiles who worship God, listen to me! 17The God of the people of Israel chose our fathers; he made the people prosper during their stay in Egypt, with mighty power he led them out of that country, 18he endured their conduct[a] for about forty years in the desert, 19he overthrew seven nations in Canaan and gave their land to his people as their inheritance. 20All this took about 450 years.

"After this, God gave them judges until the time of Samuel the prophet. 21Then the people asked for a king, and he gave them Saul son of Kish, of the tribe of Benjamin, who ruled forty years. 22After removing Saul, he made David their king. He testified concerning him: 'I have found David son of Jesse a man after my own heart; he will do everything I want him to do.'

23"From this man's descendants God has brought to Israel the Savior Jesus, as he promised. 24Before the coming of Jesus, John preached repentance and baptism to all the people of Israel. 25As John was completing his work, he said: 'Who do you think I am? I am not that one. No, but he is coming after me, whose sandals I am not worthy to untie.'

26"Brothers, children of Abraham, and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent. 27The people of Jerusalem and their rulers did not recognize Jesus, yet in condemning him they fulfilled the words of the prophets that are read every Sabbath. 28Though they found no proper ground for a death sentence, they asked Pilate to have him executed. 29When they had carried out all that was written about him, they took him down from the tree and laid him in a tomb. 30But God raised him from the dead, 31and for many days he was seen by those who had traveled with him from Galilee to Jerusalem. They are now his witnesses to our people.

32"We tell you the good news: What God promised our fathers 33he has fulfilled for us, their children, by raising up Jesus. As it is written in the second Psalm:
" 'You are my Son;
today I have become your Father.[b]'[c] 34The fact that God raised him from the dead, never to decay, is stated in these words:
" 'I will give you the holy and sure blessings promised to David.'[d] 35So it is stated elsewhere:
" 'You will not let your Holy One see decay.'[e]

36"For when David had served God's purpose in his own generation, he fell asleep; he was buried with his fathers and his body decayed. 37But the one whom God raised from the dead did not see decay.

38"Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. 39Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses. 40Take care that what the prophets have said does not happen to you:
41" 'Look, you scoffers,
wonder and perish,
for I am going to do something in your days
that you would never believe,
even if someone told you.'[f]"

No mention of baptism.

[Jehoram]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Does it say for certain that he was alone?

Didn't Jesus instruct his disciples to go out two (or more) at a time?

Mark 6:7 And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two;

...or maybe that was just the teaching exercise for that semester.

John 20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

Can we safely assume that because something isn't recorded that it didn't happen? We can't say that it did, either, but considering other scriptures and overall context, I don't believe that Paul deemphasized any part of salvation.

I think you are right. It is odd, however, that Paul never mentions baptism in his sermons. Maybe he waited until there was a declaration of faith before baptism was offered? That is the only thing I can think of.