Christ Did Not Send Me to Baptize?

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Jesus set the example by having John baptize Him. He didn't go jump in the river.

If someone was to lead you to the water and call on the name of the Lord with you and then you went under the water,that wouldn't be them baptizing you ? Did anyone here even call on the name of the Lord as the scripture teaches ?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The greek word for baptize and the grammar does not allow for someone to dunk themselves. Someone is baptizing someone else. That means someone is dunking someone else into the water.

Originally Posted by Joelel

The word baptize has no meaning about how a person gets fully wet.

G907
βαπτίζω
baptizō
bap-tid‘-zo
From a derivative of 911 to make whelmed (that is, fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism: - baptist, baptize, wash.

Joelel, if youre going to appeal to the original Greek, you really should at least become armed with the facts when debating a topic like this. Praxeas is not referring simply to the word itself but to the grammar also.

The form of the word indicates its meaning in context. In greek each verb is either in the passive voice, active voice, or middle voice.

In the cases where baptism is spoken of, it is always in the active voice (such as "baptize them") , or passive voice (such as "be baptized [by someone else]")

It is NEVER in the middle voice , (such as "I baptize myself"). From examining the original Greek , its clear that none of the NT writers spoke this concept you're insisting on... that people can/should baptize themselves.

Please buddy, get your facts straight.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Are men allowed to lay their hands on sick women to pray for them?

Jas 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jas 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Were only men being filled with the Holy Ghost in this account?

Act 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Act 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

Was Jesus acting inappropriately when he allowed Mary to anoint His feet with her tears and dry them with her hair? What about when the woman with the issue of blood touched the hem of His garment?

Luke 8:54 And he put them all out, and took her by the hand, and called, saying, Maid, arise.

When the apostles prayed for people they didn't put their hands on womens waists.Matter a fact they didn't even put their hands on their heads.Read the scripture,they took them by the hand.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Where does it say Paul baptized them?

Is there any record of Paul preaching baptism to the unconverted?

Ok.

Well you tell me, who baptized them, if not Paul? I'm not sure what point youre trying to prove... But just let the text speak for itself. Then you tell me who baptized them.

1While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples

2and asked them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?"
They answered, "No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit."

3So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?" "John's baptism," they replied.


4Paul said, "John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus."

5On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus
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6When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues[c] and prophesied.

The only people mentioned in the text are Paul and the former disciples of John. So who baptized them, if not Paul?

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Is there any record of Paul preaching baptism to the unconverted?

How would the Philippian jailer (Acts 16) have gotten baptized if he didn't hear it from Paul?

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Totally unscriptural.
Do you have any scriptural examples where anyone did this?


A common sense answer. Thank you, prax.


That's what you believe... is it based on what you see in the Bible ?, or just how you imagine it in your mind?



Again, you "think" this. But I see it's based on what your trying to insert this into the scripture based on how you imagine it ... certainly not what you see in the Word.

I'm sure you understand that many false doctrines and false churches have started by people saying "I think this is what happened", concerning stuff that the Bible never said.
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Jesus laid hands on women to be healed, didnt he?
What about when peter touched Tabitha after raising her from the dead?
Pastors and altar workers regularly lay hands on women in the altar when praying them through to the Holy Ghost.

So what is the issue with a man baptizing a woman?

That's right,I think thoughts of the teaching of the Holy Ghost as most do not.Suppose you show me in the scripture where the apostles put one hand on womens waist and the other on their sholder or face or where ever ?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Joelel

When the apostles prayed for people they didn't put their hands on womens waists.Matter a fact they didn't even put their hands on their heads.Read the scripture,they took them by the hand.

1...Would it be a sin to put their hands on their heads?

2...And who is even encouraging putting your hands on somebody's waists? I dont see anyone advocating that.

3... Why is this issue so important to you?

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Its actually a preposterous thought.

Nowhere in scripture do you see anyone say "I baptize myself in Jesus' name!"

No and it don't say the apostles said I baptize you in Jesus name.It says they called on the name of the Lord,(Jesus)

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

What is up with this over-sensitivity about touching the opposite sex? Forgive me for being blunt, but if you have an inappropriate reaction because someone of the opposite sex touches your hand or forehead....um....I don't think they're the one with the problem.

Our music department has been praying together before going onto the platform on Sunday mornings, and we always join hands. It's a great feeling of unity, and those men and women are my brothers and sisters in Christ. Of course we have to be appropriate, but holding hands for the purpose of prayer, or laying hands on the forehead or shoulder doesn't cross that line in my opinion.

I remember one time I was standing in the emergency room because my Dad had just had a heart attack, and I was so nervous and upset, and when my pastor walked in, he noticed that I was wringing my hands and rubbing them together (I didn't even realize that I was), and he immediately walked up and took my hands, and said, "Abi, it's going to be alright." That was the most calming thing to me, and that gentle, godly touch stuck with me and meant a lot, even though it was a small thing.

I strongly object to this no-touch rule that some people have! If you can't touch other people without having immoral feelings, then YOU shouldn't touch other people, but that doesn't mean others have the same feelings you do or the same reactions, and you shouldn't project your own inner struggles onto others and expect them to abide by the same rule.

Hands yes but not waists.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Joelel

That's right,I think thoughts of the teaching of the Holy Ghost as most do not.Suppose you show me in the scripture where the apostles put one hand on womens waist and the other on their sholder or face or where ever ?

OK.. lemme see if I got this right....

1.. You're plugged in to the Holy Ghost and we're not?

2... Nobody here is making an issue of putting their hands on women's waists but you are, for some reason...

2... Even though there is no specific scripture that prohibits a man touching a woman's shoulder or face (such as, while praying for/with her at the altar)then it must me a sin? is that right?

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

People are just weird, Abi.

Yelp,maybe you should go to the charismatic churches where the men and women kiss each other,then who knows what's next.