The language no doubt still remains inflammatory ... but how is it different with Kenneth Phillips preaching on the urban legend of Operation Shekinah ... or Irvin Baxter making recent American legislation acts in cohoots w/ the Anti-Christ ...
I am wary of preachers talking politics from the pulpit ... but I know I've heard many a preacher say that God will judge America for it's sins.
I am wary too....this is the time to preach to the lost the gospel of salvation....the truth that they are sinners. If our nation is being judged it is for the sins of the every day person and not George Bush....We live in a very immoral society and many of them claim to believe in God and even that they are Christians....maybe we are too involved in politics and not in the Word
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Clarence Thomas did not sexually harrass that woman. Any one who suggests that he did is obviously ignoring the facts. I'm not a fan of Arlen Spector, but he did a brilliant job in exposing the dillusion and lies that were brought against Thomas. No reasonable person believes the hair in the coke story anymore.
There was plenty of blame to go around for dropping the ball in Lousiana. The local yocals who made it a political issue. And the head of Fema who was obviously over his head...
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Sorry, a man who sexually harassed another sister can NEVER be my role model...
And as far as Condi goes, while many of my neighbors were fighting for their lives in the N.O. Superdome during & immediately after Katrina, she was clueless as to their plight.
The only one in your list I would even fathom as being my role model is Bishop TD Jakes.
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The language no doubt still remains inflammatory ... but how is it different with Kenneth Phillips preaching on the urban legend of Operation Shekinah ... or Irvin Baxter making recent American legislation acts in cohoots w/ the Anti-Christ ...
I am wary of preachers talking politics from the pulpit ... but I know I've heard many a preacher say that God will judge America for it's sins.
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In my mind, herein lies the problem: Preachers are not preaching the word of God. Churches are more of a social gathering for airing dirty laundry and griping about what is owed to them.
Men of God should preach the word. Jesus is the answer for their problems. If the love of Christ is dwelling in our hearts, racism goes away, hatred goes away, bitterness goes away, etc. Once the word of God is preached and faith is released, we then allow God access into our situations. The answer for the world's ills is Christ and Him crucified.
Men like Rev. Wright are not mouth pieces of the Holy Spirit, only puppets of a religious ego-centric system perpetrating hatred through isolationism.
This type of preaching is the voice of Satan's kingdom.
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I am wary too....this is the time to preach to the lost the gospel of salvation....the truth that they are sinners. If our nation is being judged it is for the sins of the every day person and not George Bush....We live in a very immoral society and many of them claim to believe in God and even that they are Christians....maybe we are too involved in politics and not in the Word
Great words brethren
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In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
Sorry, a man who sexually harassed another sister can NEVER be my role model...
And as far as Condi goes, while many of my neighbors were fighting for their lives in the N.O. Superdome during & immediately after Katrina, she was clueless as to their plight.
The only one in your list I would even fathom as being my role model is Bishop TD Jakes.
Umm....I don't think Katrina falls under Condi's job description...
Your mayor was the clueless one
Your governor turned away federal help because it was offered by a republican. Yes ma'am, she chose politics over people....
__________________ You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
I don't excuse Jeremiah Wright based on "context" anymore than I would excuse it in any Apostolic preacher. In fact, if an Apostolic preacher said something similar, most of you would rip him to shreds. So please don't waste your breath defending this charlatan.
Integrity is reflected both in what we say and what we do. What's down in the well comes up in the bucket. This man's rhetoric is not godly or reflective of honorable character. He would make a good politician--maybe. As far as what he says--I put him in the same category as Jesse Jackson. He's about as inspirational.
What we need as a country is for someone to stop the sniveling and whining on one side of the race coin, and stop the discrimination on the other side. I have never in my life treated someone badly because of their race, culture or skin color. Ever. So I get a little sick of hearing men like JW pound it into the heads of his constituents as if it is commonplace and normal. Maybe in isolated parts of the country, but certainly not as widespread as some would have us believe.
As for the slavery and the bad decisions by our government--come ON! I have two grandparents who were full-blooded Indian. But I don't go around ranting about the U.S. government robbing them of their land all the time and crying over spilled milk. Nor would I allow our children to talk about or dwell on something like that. As a parent I feel an obligation to teach my children to be thankful for what they have, and I would think a pastor would feel a similar obligation to encourage his congregation to be thankful, to love God, country and neighbors. Instead, JW is leading the way in inciting resentment, and stirring up ill feelings that should be repented over--not sympathized and empathized with.
I also think its hilarious that it's the "rich Republicans" who are mentioned--as if there aren't any rich Democrats. History is being rewritten, and before you know it, the Democrats will take credit for desegregation. Someone needs to educate themselves, JW included, and thank a few Republicans for their good works.
If JW were simply a politician, his comments wouldn't cause me to blink an eye. But I expect more from "men of God."
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abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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Umm....I don't think Katrina falls under Condi's job description...
Your mayor was the clueless one
Your governor turned away federal help because it was offered by a republican. Yes ma'am, she chose politics over people....
Those were some seriously bad decisions, and unfortunately, ultimately, GWB was blamed, when in fact it was local and state government who should have stepped in and done their jobs.
So funny that we didn't hear similar stories from Mississippi. LOL!!! And if you think there aren't black people in Southern Mississippi, you're cuh-razy. No, the government in MS simply did what they were supposed to, and they didn't whine to the federal government unnecessarily, other than to get the federal assistance that New Orleans should have been smart enough to ask for (sooner) but wasn't.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
I don't excuse Jeremiah Wright based on "context" anymore than I would excuse it in any Apostolic preacher. In fact, if an Apostolic preacher said something similar, most of you would rip him to shreds. So please don't waste your breath defending this charlatan.
Integrity is reflected both in what we say and what we do. What's down in the well comes up in the bucket. This man's rhetoric is not godly or reflective of honorable character. He would make a good politician--maybe. As far as what he says--I put him in the same category as Jesse Jackson. He's about as inspirational.
What we need as a country is for someone to stop the sniveling and whining on one side of the race coin, and stop the discrimination on the other side. I have never in my life treated someone badly because of their race, culture or skin color. Ever. So I get a little sick of hearing men like JW pound it into the heads of his constituents as if it is commonplace and normal. Maybe in isolated parts of the country, but certainly not as widespread as some would have us believe.
As for the slavery and the bad decisions by our government--come ON! I have two grandparents who were full-blooded Indian. But I don't go around ranting about the U.S. government robbing them of their land all the time and crying over spilled milk. Nor would I allow our children to talk about or dwell on something like that. As a parent I feel an obligation to teach my children to be thankful for what they have, and I would think a pastor would feel a similar obligation to encourage his congregation to be thankful, to love God, country and neighbors. Instead, JW is leading the way in inciting resentment, and stirring up ill feelings that should be repented over--not sympathized and empathized with.
I also think its hilarious that it's the "rich Republicans" who are mentioned--as if there aren't any rich Democrats. History is being rewritten, and before you know it, the Democrats will take credit for desegregation. Someone needs to educate themselves, JW included, and thank a few Republicans for their good works.
If JW were simply a politician, his comments wouldn't cause me to blink an eye. But I expect more from "men of God."
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Those were some seriously bad decisions, and unfortunately, ultimately, GWB was blamed, when in fact it was local and state government who should have stepped in and done their jobs.
So funny that we didn't hear similar stories from Mississippi. LOL!!! And if you think there aren't black people in Southern Mississippi, you're cuh-razy. No, the government in MS simply did what they were supposed to, and they didn't whine to the federal government unnecessarily, other than to get the federal assistance that New Orleans should have been smart enough to ask for (sooner) but wasn't.
Couldn't have said it better myself! Good posts, MissBratt!
I was going to post this video on another thread, but I didn't want it to be missed. We've heard all the spin about Reverend J. Wright's (Obama's pastor) sermon after September 11. I had just about lost faith in Obama's judgement like so many others until I stumbled upon this video. I certainly had to repent last night for judging others after I heard what Wright had said before and after the snipit that played over and over on television. It was POWERFUL!
It was a shame that the mediia chose to take Wright's words out of context in order to create strife among the public and to help form doubt on a man of integrity. This video will surely cause everyone to see that they were played by the media just like me.
Man of integrity my eye! He is still racist and his comments in blaming America for what is happening is way out of line.
His inflamatory rhetoric is no different than Farrakhan and their followers.
The bombing of Hiroshima is totally lame. Japan attacked us first. We did not attack them. Our bombing of them was in response to their terrorism. We called it "Pearl Harbor".
We as a country did not just decide to enslave people. Their own people in Africa SOLD them. I agree that it was a travesty for anyone to purchase another person, but America wasn't the only buyer. Slaves were shipped to South America to many islands only to die on sugar plantations.
Our attack on Hussein was a response to the terror that was being wrought on America. Anyone remember 911? Or has this already been forgotten by genuine americans?
Mr Wright doesn't deserve the title of "integrity". Integrity would uphold truth while he is only trying to fan flames of anger towards America.
He did a good job in support of Iraq.
The Ambassidor said the words "Americas chickens have come home to roost"
He did not wax elequent as the right reverand Jerimiah Wright did.
He did not make the the extended comments that Fox news quoted.
NO. NOT even a little bit did FOX News Lie!!!!!!!
Good grief people, this dude said we bombed Japan with Atom bombs with not even batting an eye! LIELIELIELIE! That was a well thought out, anti-American ATTACK by this lying racist.
Its just increadable.
Go back to finding what ever strand of goofiness needed to justify voting for Obama.
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I am wary too....this is the time to preach to the lost the gospel of salvation....the truth that they are sinners. If our nation is being judged it is for the sins of the every day person and not George Bush....We live in a very immoral society and many of them claim to believe in God and even that they are Christians....maybe we are too involved in politics and not in the Word
That's been my argument forever. I'm waiting for someone to seriously look me in the eye and tell me that the election of one party over the other has changed the MORAL course of this nation. It sounded great in the mid 90's when the conservatives took Congress and then the Presidency in 2000. Most TV preachers had their "men" in power and surely the nation would be uplifted. Except it wasn't. Corruption that wreaked with a horrible stinch and immorality abounded.
Political parties and candidates will not accomplish what the pastor or the church wants. The only thing that will accomplish repentance and another great awakening to the truth is when PREACHERS (not politicians) preach the truth under the annointing and conviction falls.
What a shame to see so many of the known TV evangelists spending their oh so few national TV minutes on stupid political stuff that doesn't bring salvation and the change their saying they want.
I'll hop off the soap box now, but it's a fearful thing to stand before a TV audience and worry about agendas other than lifting Jesus up because that's what will draw all men to him.
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