FOX Lies!! Barack Obama Pastor Wright

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Rico

Brother, this is one instance in which that combination of words were used properly and in context.

That's fine. When it is used when someone stubs their toe, it violates the principle of "thou shalt not."

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

MB,

You had wrote above that you didn't apreciate him using God's name in vain. I have known that Jesus was the name of God, so I didn't think that Wright had used God's name in vain when he used GD in the context that he did in his sermon.

I would have to say that I personally wouldn't have been comfortable with my pastor using such language. Thank God for Holy Ghost filled pastors.

CB1, that is a weak argument. Any reference to God, whether it is "Father", "Lord", "Jehovah", "Jesus", "God", used in a slang and disrespectful manner is unacceptable. I consider any of those usages to be taking God's name in vain.

If it were not, then how could someone have taken His "name" in vain in the Old Testament, before the name "Jesus" was revealed?

[Rico]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

CB1, that is a weak argument. Any reference to God, whether it is "Father", "Lord", "Jehovah", "Jesus", "God", used in a slang and disrespectful manner is unacceptable. I consider any of those usages to be taking God's name in vain.

If it were not, then how could someone have taken His "name" in vain in the Old Testament, before the name "Jesus" was revealed?

Sister, I can't see how you can say JW was using GD as a slang term. He used the term in the way the term is defined, not as a slang term.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

That's fine. When it is used when someone stubs their toe, it violates the principle of "thou shalt not."

Also, the commandment is to not "take" the name of the Lord in vain, not "use" the name of the Lord in vain. God gave me an interesting nugget on that scripture a few years while I was sitting at a McDonald's eatin some grub. I've posted it before. Maybe I will do it again.

Originally Posted by Rico

Fox did what media does; they put out just enough of what he said to make it newsworthy. I have news for you. I heard apostolic preachers preaching that 9/11 was our own fault because of the things we have done overseas. I've gone to churches that were openly racist, with the pastor using the n word over the pulpit because "all his black friends knew he wasn't using it in a derogatory way". I know preachers that won't marry a black man to a white woman. The point I am making is that what this JW has said really isn't any different than so much of what I have already heard coming across apostolic pulpits. Where are the threads slamming those preachers? Where's the outrage over our own preachers doing some of the same things this JW has done? Why is this such a big deal now? Could it be because Barak Obama is a black man running for President and people in this country don't want to admit that they really don't want a black man to be their President, so they are doing anything and everything they can to discredit him?

You must have gone to Pastor Wright's church since he fits this description. The guy is an idiot racist bigot. I haven't heard this coming across any white pulpits, if so dont you think there would be an outcry. Minorities have more rights in this country then white men will ever have. I would slam any preacher regardless of color if they made these same comments. This guy is a racist plain and simple, and if you agree with him you are a racist as well. These types of people are full of double speak, they claim everybody is racist all the while sprewing racist propoganda.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Rico

Sister, I can't see how you can say JW was using GD as a slang term. He used the term in the way the term is defined, not as a slang term.

Yes, Rico, he did. He called on God to curse this country. And that is totally unacceptable. That is swearing. And if he did not mean it in that context, then it is slang. Either way it is disrespectful and using God's name inappropriately. (in vain) To d*** something is to curse it. (to destruction) To [attempt to]invoke God's power by calling His name with the curse is terrible.

Saying, "God **** America" as an invocation or instructional manner is still to call down a curse upon the country from God, and I can't see how anyone could think that is alright or appropriate. I'm sorry, we don't use those words together, even "in context." First of all, I care more about being respectful to God to speak so frivolously, secondly, I care more about my country to call a curse upon it, no matter what It has done to deserve it, and finally, to invoke God's power in order to proclaim such a curse is definitely taking God's name in vain. It is presumptuous of God's intentions at best.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Discerner

You must have gone to Pastor Wright's church since he fits this description. The guy is an idiot racist bigot. I haven't heard this coming across any white pulpits, if so dont you think there would be an outcry. Minorities have more rights in this country then white men will ever have. I would slam any preacher regardless of color if they made these same comments. This guy is a racist plain and simple, and if you agree with him you are a racist as well. These types of people are full of double speak, they claim everybody is racist all the while sprewing racist propoganda.

Listen, I let is slide when you called someone else a racist, but you aren't going to get away with it with me. You have lost your mind, if you think you can even come close to pegging me as a racist.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Yes, Rico, he did. He called on God to curse this country. And that is totally unacceptable. That is swearing. And if he did not mean it in that context, then it is slang. Either way it is disrespectful and using God's name inappropriately. (in vain) To d*** something is to curse it. (to destruction) To [attempt to]invoke God's power by calling His name with the curse is terrible.

Saying, "God **** America" as an invocation or instructional manner is still to call down a curse upon the country from God, and I can't see how anyone could think that is alright or appropriate. I'm sorry, we don't use those words together, even "in context." First of all, I care more about being respectful to God to speak so frivolously, secondly, I care more about my country to call a curse upon it, no matter what It has done to deserve it, and finally, to invoke God's power in order to proclaim such a curse is definitely taking God's name in vain. It is presumptuous of God's intentions at best.

Sister, preachers have been calling on God to judge this country for so many years it isn't even funny. What's the difference in a preacher calling on God to judge this country, condemn this country, or d*** this country? None.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Rico

Sister, preachers have been calling on God to judge this country for so many years it isn't even funny. What's the difference in a preacher calling on God to judge this country, condemn this country, or d*** this country? None.

There may not be a difference, I'll agree with you there. I don't think anyone should call down God's judgment. We should be pleading for His mercy.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Discerner

You must have gone to Pastor Wright's church since he fits this description. The guy is an idiot racist bigot. I haven't heard this coming across any white pulpits, if so dont you think there would be an outcry. Minorities have more rights in this country then white men will ever have. I would slam any preacher regardless of color if they made these same comments. This guy is a racist plain and simple, and if you agree with him you are a racist as well. These types of people are full of double speak, they claim everybody is racist all the while sprewing racist propoganda.

I disagree with you, Discerner. JW's speech had valid points. They were just made poorly. Personally, I'm not convinced that he is a racist, but I think he is spouting what he thinks his congregation wants or needs to hear. Pandering comes to mind.

Calling names and making conditional statements like "if you agree...you're a racist[too]"--well, I don't see how that allows conversation to progress.