FOX Lies!! Barack Obama Pastor Wright

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Discerner

Me racist? Im not defending a bigot. I would abhor these comments coming across any church I attended. As a matter of fact it would be serious enough that i would not attend that church. I dont care what race of people he was talking about.

You are so busy pointing your fingers at him that you are too blind to see the ones you are pointing at yourself. I'm done talking with you.

[chosenbyone]

JEREMIAH WRIGHT'S CHARACTER WITNESS:

I found it more than a bit amusing that so many have labeled Wright a racist without ever knowing him personally. Below was copied from Mike Slaughter's blog page (http://mikeslaughter.com/blog/?tx_we...single%5D=2007) this evening. Slaughter pastors a 4000 member Methodist church and has been instrumental in bringing revival to the Methodist brethren during the last decade. I thought this particular blog was worth sharing.

Dr. Jeremiah Wright has had a powerful ministry at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. He has been Barak Obama’s pastor for the last 20 years. Barak made a commitment to follow Jesus under Dr. Wright’s ministry 20 years ago. Jeremiah has initiated many vital social programs in the Chicago area. Numerous young men and women have heard God’s call to preach under his ministry. Frank Thomas, who has spoken at Ginghamsburg on numerous occasions, is but one.

A few isolated clips from Rev. Wright’s sermons are being circulated regularly through the media and on YouTube. They reveal controversial and divisive remarks. So is Dr. Wright a racist, divisive radical or an angry righteous prophet?

Anointed prophets of God are guilty of sometimes saying the wrong thing. I speak from personal experience. Boy, do I ever wish I could take some things back that I have spoken in a rash of anger or in a moment when the inspiration came from some other source than heaven. In an age of Internet and sermon podcasts, those statements continue to play into eternity. I can’t get them back! You could take some of those isolated clips and make me, and anyone associated with me, look like a real jackass, and sometimes for righteous reasons.

Jeremiah and I worked on our doctorates together. We have traveled together and worked on the same Jesus causes. I have never heard a racist statement or seen an unchristian attitude toward any person group in all of my encounters with him. Perhaps Jeremiah is living up to the anointing of his namesake, the prophet activist who ministered in the 6th century BC. The prophet Jeremiah lived during the last days of the Jewish Empire through the Babylonian captivity. Jeremiah was the “angry” prophet who prophesized the demise of his own nation for forsaking God, the Torah and turning to idolatry. He was considered a traitor and declared an outlaw during the reign of Zedekiah for declaring that Judah’s idolatry had been the cause of Babylon’s impending terrorist attack. He was arrested and held as an enemy of the state.

All of God’s prophets have a bit of “Balaam’s ass” in us. Forgive us when we are wrong, but listen carefully for what is right!

[Rico]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

JEREMIAH WRIGHT'S CHARACTER WITNESS:

I found it more than a bit amusing that so many have labeled Wright a racist without ever knowing him personally. Below was copied from Mike Slaughter's blog page (http://mikeslaughter.com/blog/?tx_we...single%5D=2007) this evening. Slaughter pastors a 4000 member Methodist church and has been instrumental in bringing revival to the Methodist brethren during the last decade. I thought this particular blog was worth sharing.

Dr. Jeremiah Wright has had a powerful ministry at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. He has been Barak Obama’s pastor for the last 20 years. Barak made a commitment to follow Jesus under Dr. Wright’s ministry 20 years ago. Jeremiah has initiated many vital social programs in the Chicago area. Numerous young men and women have heard God’s call to preach under his ministry. Frank Thomas, who has spoken at Ginghamsburg on numerous occasions, is but one.

A few isolated clips from Rev. Wright’s sermons are being circulated regularly through the media and on YouTube. They reveal controversial and divisive remarks. So is Dr. Wright a racist, divisive radical or an angry righteous prophet?

Anointed prophets of God are guilty of sometimes saying the wrong thing. I speak from personal experience. Boy, do I ever wish I could take some things back that I have spoken in a rash of anger or in a moment when the inspiration came from some other source than heaven. In an age of Internet and sermon podcasts, those statements continue to play into eternity. I can’t get them back! You could take some of those isolated clips and make me, and anyone associated with me, look like a real jackass, and sometimes for righteous reasons.

Jeremiah and I worked on our doctorates together. We have traveled together and worked on the same Jesus causes. I have never heard a racist statement or seen an unchristian attitude toward any person group in all of my encounters with him. Perhaps Jeremiah is living up to the anointing of his namesake, the prophet activist who ministered in the 6th century BC. The prophet Jeremiah lived during the last days of the Jewish Empire through the Babylonian captivity. Jeremiah was the “angry” prophet who prophesized the demise of his own nation for forsaking God, the Torah and turning to idolatry. He was considered a traitor and declared an outlaw during the reign of Zedekiah for declaring that Judah’s idolatry had been the cause of Babylon’s impending terrorist attack. He was arrested and held as an enemy of the state.

All of God’s prophets have a bit of “Balaam’s ass” in us. Forgive us when we are wrong, but listen carefully for what is right!

Chosen, you know as well as I do that this whole JW thing has nothing to do with JW. It's just a way of discrediting Barak Obama. After all, no one thought he would make it as far as he has.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Rico

How different is that from any of our people staying at a church where the preacher won't marry mixed couples because of not believing in mixing of the races? It's no different.

Whatever, bro. Your logic is pathetic here.
Rather than properly criticizing bad behavior, instead you try to justify it by pointing out someone else's other bad behavior. Very, very weak.
I guess you've never heard of "two wrongs don't make a right".


Frankly, I think you're too emotional about this to really think with a clear mind on this issue.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Whatever, bro. Your logic is pathetic here.
Rather than properly criticizing bad behavior, instead you try to justify it by pointing out someone else's other bad behavior. Very, very weak.
I guess you've never heard of "two wrongs don't make a right".


Frankly, I think you're too emotional about this to really think with a clear mind on this issue.

I also have noticed alot of feelings involved in Rico's post. You can't mix feelings with politics, just ask Christopher Hall.

To me the context and content of what he said is all after thought, the first thing you have to address is a preacher preaching the politics of MAN from the pulpit of GOD....Until you can justify that , the rest is just coffee shop talk.

[TRFrance]

OBAMA IS TOAST

http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...Y4MzU2Nzg5ZTM=

Obama's toast. He may yet get the Democratic nomination, but tens of millions of Americans who are neither (a) black nor (b) guilty white liberals are simply appalled that Obama would revere a guy like Jeremiah Wright for 20 years, whatever the particularities of which services he did and didn't attend. It defies belief that Obama knew this man for all that time, intimately enough to have him supervise at the Obama wedding and the children's baptisms, yet did not know that Wright is a white-hating, America-hating crank. Who on earth believes this?

The MSM can't smother this, not in the age of the web, though they are trying mightily. (The Sunday New York Times "Week in Review" Section had nothing about Wright; neither did the main news section.) Americans are a fair-minded people, who find double standards obnoxious. A guy who says "nappy-headed ho's" in an irreverent radio show is dragged round the city walls behind a chariot to the delighted howls of a mob of self-righteous "anti-racists"; yet a man who uses the authority of the cloth to ************ our country and curse white people, is praised as a "biblical scholar" by a candidate for the presidency? I don't think so. This won't stand. The man is toast.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

OBAMA IS TOAST

http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...Y4MzU2Nzg5ZTM=

Obama's toast. He may yet get the Democratic nomination, but tens of millions of Americans who are neither (a) black nor (b) guilty white liberals are simply appalled that Obama would revere a guy like Jeremiah Wright for 20 years, whatever the particularities of which services he did and didn't attend. It defies belief that Obama knew this man for all that time, intimately enough to have him supervise at the Obama wedding and the children's baptisms, yet did not know that Wright is a white-hating, America-hating crank. Who on earth believes this?

The MSM can't smother this, not in the age of the web, though they are trying mightily. (The Sunday New York Times "Week in Review" Section had nothing about Wright; neither did the main news section.) Americans are a fair-minded people, who find double standards obnoxious. A guy who says "nappy-headed ho's" in an irreverent radio show is dragged round the city walls behind a chariot to the delighted howls of a mob of self-righteous "anti-racists"; yet a man who uses the authority of the cloth to ************ our country and curse white people, is praised as a "biblical scholar" by a candidate for the presidency? I don't think so. This won't stand. The man is toast.

TRFrance,
This is the part that I think is important from your link:

The emerging line I'm getting from the media, from people I know, and online, regarding Rev. Wright goes something like this. "Many black churches have a certain style of preaching that includes rhetoric of passion, even anger, directed at the political and social system. This communication style must be appreciated in the context of the African-American church. Non-blacks shouldn't be offended by this style, as the metaphors, images and language of the style are not intended to offend. This style should be appreciated as an interactive performance of empowerment, not as a literal communication of facts."

I understand this and I certainly don't want to go around criticizing other peoples' church experiences. However, I think the Obama campaign should understand that many non-blacks (such as myself and my Japanese-American wife) have a certain style of voting that excludes support for the rhetoric of anger, as exemplified by Rev. Wright. And we certainly don't appreciate anyone criticizing our voting experience.

We are asked to understand and appreciate the anger......No wonder, for them, the changes comes slowly.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

We are asked to understand and appreciate the anger......No wonder, for them, the changes comes slowly.

If by "them" you mean black Americans, I hope you don't have the opinion that all or even most blacks think the way Jeremiah Wright does. I think that would be an unfortunate misperception of the way things actually are.

And the stuff that Jeremiah Wright preaches is not the norm in black churches. It is definitely out there, and is even popular in some circles, but it doesn't represent the majority of "black church" experiences on Sunday mornings.

I frankly think Jeremiah Wright has doing a disservice to the image of black churches, and so has the media, by giving people the impression that this stuff is normative in black churches, when it is definitely not.

[Pressing-On]

Excellent article!

(excerpt)

When the Past is Past: Some Bad Things are Dead and Buried
By Suzanne Fields
Monday, March 24, 2008Obama deftly quoted William Faulkner's famous remark that the past is not dead because it isn't even past. But the reference was misplaced. The past when a black man was considered three-fifths of a person for purposes of allocating congressional seats is definitely dead, and buried. The past when black men and women were denied the right to vote is definitely dead and buried. The past when all Americans were required to pay a poll tax to vote is definitely dead, and buried. The past when restaurants, restrooms and schools were segregated by law is definitely dead, and buried.

He was correct in observing that Jeremiah Wright and millions of other black Americans came of age when segregation was still the law of the land and widely practiced even in places where it was not the law. But it's important to observe that they, like the rest of us, have also matured if not necessarily mellowed in the four decades since the Civil Rights Movement turned things upside down and inside out, putting them aright.

There will always be more to do in order to create that elusive "more perfect union," but it's important for spiritual -- and political -- leaders to remind us that social conscience has sometimes done its work, that some things in the past are definitely dead, and buried.


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/S...ead_and_buried

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

If by "them" you mean black Americans, I hope you don't have the opinion that all or even most blacks think the way Jeremiah Wright does. I think that would be an unfortunate misperception of the way things actually are.

And the stuff that Jeremiah Wright preaches is not the norm in black churches. It is definitely out there, and is even popular in some circles, but it doesn't represent the majority of "black church" experiences on Sunday mornings.

I frankly think Jeremiah Wright has doing a disservice to the image of black churches, and so has the media, by giving people the impression that this stuff is normative in black churches, when it is definitely not.

I believe in Obama's speech he said this was typical of a black church. I'm not sure that I can agree with you. It hasn't been my experience.

Let me find the quote.

That has been my experience at Trinity. Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety — the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other black churches, Trinity’s services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories...100_Page2.html

We can say that all churches are made up of the same, but he seems to be, in the same breath, accepting of Wright, IMO. Just my take.

And if he gets in the White House will his pastor visit? Will he advise him spiritually and politically?

We have a situation between the DA and the black community where I live right now. I think I am slanted on the issue right now, honestly.