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Old 03-24-2008, 12:29 PM
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I know, me too.

My point is that the same mindset that causes us to have to defend America to the Americans has caused us to have to defend our own rights on our own turf.

The initial attack was made BY the Japanese on American (Hawaiian) soil.

The attack by the terrorists in 2001 was made BY the terrorist on American soil.

And, when we go to defend our rights, suddenly WE are the ones encroaching.
I guess that is why we need someone in charge that is able to put a deaf ear to this mindset.

I do believe the majority does not hold to these beliefs, at least I hope and pray that they don't...because it just doesn't make sense.
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Old 03-24-2008, 12:30 PM
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How do we know that America's destruction of so many innocents in Japan wasn't a factor in God's wrath visited upon us on 9/11?

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Bro....I'm not convinced that God wasn't upset when we dropped the bomb backed the shadows of innocent children into the concrete pavement of their school yards.
Do you think the attack on America was "God's wrath"????????

If so, you believe in the doctrine of the terrorists........they are the ones who proclaimed that they were acting on behalf of God, or Allah, or whoever.....
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The war with Germany was already over when we dropped the bombs on Japan. Furthermore, there were only two bombs in our arsenal at that time.
Two was enough.
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Old 03-24-2008, 12:31 PM
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tell that garbage to the boys that were defending the ships on okinawa and iwo jima against the kamikazes, they saw there friends die and burn, i know some of those men that are still around, it is amazing that i studied amercian history in college and have never heard this before, but then again i dont read revisionist history, sorry still isnt good enough, jw was wrong and he is still wrong, dt
Regardless of American understanding of the situation on the ground in Japan today, that article does not go so far as to suggest that American KNEW how much food Japan had in 1945.

further, It is an out right lie to suggest that Japan was out of amunition.

Further, if the Emporor suggested that every Japanese citizen would resist to the death, they would have.

and that part about Russia is absolutly correct.

you tell me if you would have liked to fight the cold war with a communist Japan.

or worse, what the outcome would have been if we were having the issues in Europe (Berlin) in the far east as well.

World War 3 might have been fought in the 1950s without those bombs.
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Old 03-24-2008, 12:32 PM
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Someone needs to spout off. Doesn't silence give consent? I just wish I could do it with your finesse!
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Two was enough.
it is true that those were the only two we had produced, it is also true we had the capacity to make more, dt
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Regardless of American understanding of the situation on the ground in Japan today, that article does not go so far as to suggest that American KNEW how much food Japan had in 1945.

further, It is an out right lie to suggest that Japan was out of amunition.

Further, if the Emporor suggested that every Japanese citizen would resist to the death, they would have.

and that part about Russia is absolutly correct.

you tell me if you would have liked to fight the cold war with a communist Japan.

or worse, what the outcome would have been if we were having the issues in Europe (Berlin) in the far east as well.

World War 3 might have been fought in the 1950s without those bombs.
i remember much of the cold war very well, have to agree with you ferd, it would have been ugly, dt
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Do you think the attack on America was "God's wrath"????????
Yes. God removed his hand of protection, just as he did Judah.

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If so, you believe in the doctrine of the terrorists........they are the ones who proclaimed that they were acting on behalf of God, or Allah, or whoever.....
No. I agree with the Bible. GOD used the Babylonians to bring Judah to her knees over a multitude of sins. God will use Islam to do the same to America. Jeremiah of the Old Testament stood against those singing "God bless Judah! We shall have victory!" Jeremiah went as far as to advocate that Judah surrender and save herself the destruction God would visit upon them through the Babylonians...of course...he was deemed unpatriotic from that day forward.

But Jeremiah was right.
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Old 03-24-2008, 12:40 PM
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Even Wright’s comments about Japan are being misconstrued.

Let’s try to understand his point before jumping to railing conclusions. America killed masses and masses of innocent people by dropping the bomb. Yes, a ground invasion would have cost us more military lives on both sides…but it would have afforded the civilian population an opportunity to flee. Right or wrong…we sacrificed the lives of masses and masses of innocent people to win the War.

The moral implications are disturbing. If American can drop nuclear weapons and kill masses of human beings to bring her enemy to their knees…does this not afford justification to Islamic fundamentalists who feel they have to do the same thing to their perceived enemy (us)?

There is a cycle to violence, war, and bloodshed and it perpetuates until someone is big enough to end that cycle. Right or wrong when we bombed Japan killing masses of civilians and innocent children…did we not communicate that such is an acceptable means of achieving victory in armed conflict?

I can see what Wright was saying though I don’t believe there was another way.

I’m realizing these are very complex issues and most want cut and dry black and white answers and because of this they miss the complexity of the issue.

where is that Toro award??????

Chris, did you fail that part of english class on comprehension?
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