Ferd, you are attempting character assination on me now. It's obvious. You've even done it before and I've had to report you on it. You're misrepresenting my point.
You're trying to insinuate that I believe we shouldn't have done anything to stop the Germans and that somehow I'm a Nazi sympathizer.
In truth I'm holding to a theological teaching that stands against Christian involvement or advocacy of war. We stand and pray. We stand and die. But we do not wage war as pawns of earthly nations. And war is viewed as a judgment of God.
You really should read David K. Bernad's book, Practical Holiness a Second Look. It discusses this issue from my perspective in depth. I'll present it in a thread all of it's own later tonight or tomorrow if you'd like. I'll have to type up a few chapters of it to cut and refer to. It might take time but I'm willing to put forth the effort to refute your Hanitized methods of attacking my character.
did you are did you not simply state that carpet bombing was abomanable?
I didnt say you were a nazi sympathizer. I did say you said we were an abmination for how we fought that war.
go ahead, report some post of mine. I would be glad for you to do it.
PS, Admin has never agreed with you on the subject.
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Where do you get your scripture backing for this premise? Since God condoned and even commanded some wars it seems that some must be of godly consent, henceforth not abominable.
David K. Bernard wrote extensively on this subject in his book, Practical Holiness a Second Look (WAP). He illustrated clearly that the Bible doesn't advocate Christian nationalism or a Christian's involvement in wars between earthly nations.
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Well, I get it. I don't agree with you in that I believe that sometimes war is necessary, but I am not going to jump on the JW bashing bandwagon. I happen to agree with him that the US is anything but an innocent victim in this war on terror. Like I said in another post, we like to think that the rest of the world is just itching to be like us so we make a point of trying to mold other cultures in the image of our own, even if that means using bombs in the process. I don't pretend to have all the answers for what ails the world, but I do know that we need to learn how to mind our own business and stop meddling in everyone else's affairs.
Much truth in what you say bro.
War may sometimes be necessary for our respective earthly nations. But as Christians...we do well to allow the world to fight it's own wars.
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Yes. I have most of my resources on this in my office. I'll have to get with you later. Perhaps I'll compile my information and start a new thread topic on; Christian Ethics: Warfare, Capital Punishment, Entertainment, and Abortion.
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
David K. Bernard wrote extensively on this subject in his book, Practical Holiness a Second Look (WAP). He illustrated clearly that the Bible doesn't advocate Christian nationalism or a Christian's involvement in wars between earthly nations.
I disagree with him. So what? He's a dispensationalist...at least a modified one. He doesn't prove his point and you haven't tried to make one except from silence.
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Yes. I have most of my resources on this in my office. I'll have to get with you later. Perhaps I'll compile my information and start a new thread topic on; Christian Ethics: Warfare, Capital Punishment, Entertainment, and Abortion.
You need to read Bahnsen.
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Where do you get your scripture backing for this premise? Since God condoned and even commanded some wars it seems that some must be of godly consent, henceforth not abominable.
God doesn't approve of all wars, that's for sure.
Some battles in the Word of God, GOD told the people to fight for He was with them. It is in THOSE battles where God's people won the victory.
And while some lost their lives, there wasn't a massive loss because God was with them.
But in those battles where folks just felt like they should do something, and didnt seek the counsel of the Lord, then God lifted His Hand from them and massive death, casualty and destruction ensued.
My question is are the leaders seeking God's counsel on whether to pull the troops? To date we have 4,000 troops who have died in Iraq.
Now we can say well that wasn't as many as was lost in so and so war.
But it is massive nonetheless.
It is my belief that God consented to Iraq, but He now wants it to end. And no one is listening so now daily we lose lives over there.
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Doctrinal issues? Is that what Wright is really about in his hatred messages?
I have to say this though.....in having Rico speak for you, this thread wouldn't be this long. He's short and to the point!
You're missing the point again. The doctrinal issue I'm talking about among some here that I would have included in my sentiments that Rico clearly expressed is Christian nation worship.
Rico isn't entirely talking about what I'm talking about. And I don't have ADD and I am perfectly willing to attempt to express the complexity of an issue. Most here love their pat answers and bumper sticker theology. You won't get that from me. If posting with me...prepare to read.
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I disagree with him. So what? He's a dispensationalist...at least a modified one. He doesn't prove his point and you haven't tried to make one except from silence.
ReformedDave, it doesnt matter if you agree or not. His right. You're wrong.
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