FOX Lies!! Barack Obama Pastor Wright - Page 56

ReformedDave · #**551** 03-25-2008, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Actually my view is the classical view of most fundamentalist churches. I didn't make it to my office last night, but I have resources there I can draw upon to show that Bible believing Christians in America have only recently embraced war as a "Christian" option.

I admonish you to read the Articles of Faith of the United Pentecostal Church International:

I admonish you to read David K. Bernard's book, Practical Holiness a Second Look, where he goes into greater depth on the subject and clarifies why this is the Biblical position on warfare.

Essentially the conflict is between a teaching which is Pentecostal and of Holy Ghost origin and a teaching rooted in Reformed Presbyterianism.

I'm being challenged on account of holding a distinctly "Pentecostal" position.

Look CH, I know more about oneness Pentecostalism then you probably ever will. Sad but true. You are making the articles of faith a second cannon while I have never brought up mine. You are not a pentecostal martyr. BTW, Bernard, whom I'm actually like as a person, is the authoritative voice for OPs?

ReformedDave · #**552** 03-25-2008, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I was very Pro-Obama.

But some things have caused me pause. I know for sure that I'm not voting Republican. If a decent third party candidate arises in the Constitution Party (perhaps Ron Paul) I may vote for him. My issue is that the Republicans need to be given time out to think about the direction they're taking. Voting for them is like a pat on the back for a job terribly done. My lesser issues are Health Care, jobs, and liveable wages, and flex time.

You could actually vote for a neo-libertarian like Ron Paul or someone from the Constitution Party? Diametrically opposed to much of what you espouse.

ChristopherHall · #**553** 03-25-2008, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Look child, I know more about oneness Pentecostalism then you probably ever will. Sad but true. You are making the articles of faith a second cannon while I have never brought up mine. You are not a pentecostal martyr. BTW, Bernard, whom I'm actually like as a person, is the authoritative voice for OPs?

Bro. Bernard is a Holy Ghost filled man of God. Bro. Bernard is also recognized as the leading apologist of the United Pentecostal Church Internationa, the largest oneness body on the planet. The ministerial reading list extensively references his works.

You aren't even Apostolic. You can "know" what some have said about us...but one can't know the depth of what it truly means to be Apostolic unless they are one.

Fundamentally what we have here is a collision between two worldviews...your Reformed Presbyterianism and Apostolic Pentecostalism. It's like Islam colliding with Christianity. The two are not compatible.

I'd also like to call into remembrance history....Christian history is ripe with examples of how Trinitarian dominionists repeatedly seized or attempted to seize power for the sole purpose of propagating the kingdom of their three headed god...even if it had to be done by firelight produced by the burning bodies of one God Apostolics.

I reject your dominionism as an outright threat to the existance of the Church of the Living God. You come against this with Reformed Tradition...but I come against that tradition in the name of the LORD. And his name is....

JESUS

ChristopherHall · #**554** 03-25-2008, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

You could actually vote for a neo-libertarian like Ron Paul or someone from the Constitution Party? Diametrically opposed to much of what you espouse.

Not in support of them perse...but in opposition to rewarding the Republicans for drifting further and further to the left. No third party candidate has a chance to win. It's a protest vote. Targetted to slap one or both of the two leading parties.

ReformedDave · #**555** 03-25-2008, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Bro. Bernard is a Holy Ghost filled man of God. Bro. Bernard is also recognized as the leading apologist of the United Pentecostal Church Internationa, the largest oneness body on the planet. The ministerial reading list extensively references his works.

You aren't even Apostolic. You can "know" what some have said about us...but one can't know the depth of what it truly means to be Apostolic unless they are one.

Fundamentally what we have here is a collision between two worldviews...your Reformed Presbyterianism and Apostolic Pentecostalism. It's like Islam colliding with Christianity. The two are not compatible.

I'd also like to call into remembrance history....Christian history is ripe with examples of how Trinitarian dominionists repeatedly seized or attempted to seize power for the sole purpose of propagating the kingdom of their three headed god...even if it had to be done by firelight produced by the burning bodies of one God Apostolics.

I reject your dominionism as an outright threat to the existance of the Church of the Living God. You come against this with Reformed Tradition...but I come against that tradition in the name of the LORD. And his name is....

JESUS

Big difference. I know oneness theology backwards and forwards and you don't know the same about Reformed theology. If you are consistent, which you don't seem able to be, you'd better not ever quote anything but from the source of oneness pens. You sure haven't in the past.

ChristopherHall · #**556** 03-25-2008, 08:11 AM

ReformedDave....

I'm praying for you.

ReformedDave · #**557** 03-25-2008, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

ReformedDave....

I'm praying for you.

Thanks. Likewise.

Encryptus · #**558** 03-25-2008, 08:18 AM

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You aren't even Apostolic. You can "know" what some have said about us...but one can't know the depth of what it truly means to be Apostolic unless they are one.

.your Reformed Presbyterianism and Apostolic Pentecostalism. It's like Islam colliding with Christianity.

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Dave,

Feel fortunate, he only compared Presbyterians to Muslims.

Could have been worse bro, he could have called you papists.

ChristopherHall · #**559** 03-25-2008, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Big difference. I know oneness theology backwards and forwards and you don't know the same about Reformed theology. If you are consistent, which you don't seem able to be, you'd better not ever quote anything but from the source of oneness pens. You sure haven't in the past.

Here's a list of the works I'm familiar with reflecting some of what you believe....

Before Jerusalem Fell by Gary North
Bringing in the Sheaves by George Grant
Christian Reconstruction What It Is and What It Isn't by Gary Demar
Conspiracy A Biblical View by Gary North (I’ve not read this one but I have it.)
Cooperation and Dominion by Gary North
Days of Vengence by David Chilton (While I’ve not read this entire commentary I refer to it quite a bit in my studies of your theology.)
He Shall Have Dominion by Kenneth Gentry
Healer of the Nations by Gary North
In the Shadow of Plenty by George Grant (read part of it and got disinterested)
Inherit the Earth by Gary North
Leviticus An Economic Commentary by Gary North (actually found this to be quite interesting)
Moses and Pharoah by Gary North (haven’t read it but looked at a couple items in it)
Paradise Restored by David Chilton
Rapture Fever by Gary North (actually thought this was insightful)
Ruler of the Nations by Gary Demar
Second Chance by Ray Sutton
Tactics of Christian Resistance (thought this was provocative)
The Beast of Revelation by Kenneth Gentry (VERY interesting, but I disagree)
The Dominion Covenant by Gary North
The Great Tribulation by David Chilton (again, VERY interesting but I disagree)
The Greatness of the Great Commission by Kenneth Gentry (still reading it in short parts)
The Law of the Covenant by James Jordan (interesting concepts)
The Reconstruction of the Church by James Jordan (I’ve not read this yet but I have it).
The Theology of Christian Resistance (Not looked into this one yet)
Victims Rights by Gary North
When Justice Is Aborted by Gary North (Interesting and provocative)

I’ve also studied the Westminsters Confession and I have reference materials from several dead fellows from the Reformed movement. LOL

I have all of these in .pdf also. What have you read belonging to Bro. Bernard?

ChristopherHall · #**560** 03-25-2008, 08:30 AM

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You aren't even Apostolic. You can "know" what some have said about us...but one can't know the depth of what it truly means to be Apostolic unless they are one.

.your Reformed Presbyterianism and Apostolic Pentecostalism. It's like Islam colliding with Christianity.

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Dave,

Feel fortunate, he only compared Presbyterians to Muslims.

Could have been worse bro, he could have called you papists.

That's one thing they have in their favor...they're not papists. However, they are Christian Theonomists bent on imposing their version of Biblical Law in society through government. So...same girl, different dress.