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Originally Posted by ReformedDave
CH, Matthew 5:17-20 states 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."
We see here clearly that the law is to be followed until heaven and earth pass away. The Pharisees were watering down the Law and Christ has come to bring it to it's fullness. Notice, Christ is referring to the Law and the Prophets. |
Nowhere has anyone stated that the Law has passed away. The Law lays in wait during this “times of the gentiles” until our Lord returns and establishes the Kingdom. Then he shall judge according to the Law righteously…without the help of Reformed Presbyterianism.
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CH, you keep referring to the fact that you can point to history. Remember, history is what WAS and not necessarily what SHOULD have been. In my post that you ignored I said that many espoused monasticism to get away from the 'world' but that is not Biblical.
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Separation isn’t monasticism.
I advocate separation from the world’s systems but not cloistered monasticism.
Did Jesus say his servants would fight? Yes or no?
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You state that Christ fulfilled the ceremonial laws and national laws. Where do you get your Scriptural reference for 'national' laws being fulfilled?
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Colossians 2:6-18
{2:6} As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord,
[so] walk ye in him: {2:7} Rooted and built up in him, and
stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding
therein with thanksgiving. {2:8} Beware lest any man spoil
you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition
of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after
Christ. {2:9} For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the
Godhead bodily. {2:10} And ye are complete in him, which
is the head of all principality and power: {2:11} In whom
also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without
hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the
circumcision of Christ: {2:12} Buried with him in baptism,
wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the
operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
{2:13} And you, being dead in your sins and the
uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together
with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; {2:14}
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against
us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way,
nailing it to his cross; {2:15} [And] having spoiled
principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly,
triumphing over them in it. {2:16} Let no man therefore
judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday,
or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days: ]{2:17} Which
are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.
{2:18} Let no man beguile you of your reward in a
voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding
into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up
by his fleshly mind,
This clearly abolishes ordinances contrary to the gentiles (i.e. ordinances of national Israel) such as dietary laws, holy day laws, holiday laws, etc. These laws were for National Israel. In addition there were Laws commanded specifically of the Levitical Priesthood, since we no longer serve under the Levitical priesthood such laws are also passed away for they can only be fulfilled as commanded of those living in national Israel.
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Paul mentions much about civil government and the just ruler of it and that includes using the sword. Sounds like Christians can and should be involved in the civil process.
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Sounds like? Ye do err knowing not the Scriptures. Paul wrote:
Romans 13:1-10
{13:1} Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers.
For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are
ordained of God. {13:2} Whosoever therefore resisteth the
power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist
shall receive to themselves ************ation. {13:3} For rulers are
not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then
not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou
shalt have praise of the same: {13:4} For he is the minister
of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be
afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the
minister of God, a revenger to [execute] wrath upon him
that doeth evil. {13:5} Wherefore [ye] must needs be
subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
{13:6} For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are
God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
{13:7} Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom
tribute [is due;] custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear;
honour to whom honour. {13:8} Owe no man any thing, but
to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled
the law. {13:9} For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear
false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any
other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this
saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
{13:10} Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore
love [is] the fulfilling of the law.
Here Paul is addressing the church in Rome. He advocates that they be obedient to Roman authority (clearly anti-revolutionary) illustrating that even they rule according to God’s ordained purpose for bringing structure to society by punishing evil. Paul doesn’t advocate that Christians do such…he’s advocating that Christians peaceably obey the laws of even the Roman emperors. In addition Paul teaches them to pay taxes, something clearly bothering the conscience of the Roman body of believers. From Paul we can conclude that Christians are to respect authorities, obey the law, and pay our taxes. Paul doesn’t say it is ok for the Christian to use the sword. In fact in the first 200 years of Christianity any magistrate or soldier becoming a Christian had to relinquish their office so as to not be in a position to shed blood. This fueled accusations of Christianity being treasonous to the Roman government. Becoming a Christian was costly! Paul then speaks of the moral law of God and explains how it is fulfilled in loving one’s neighbor as one’s self.
Nothing advocating Christian Nationalism! In fact, Paul could have advocated activism or revolution against Roman despotism. Such would prove your point. However, we see Paul admonishing Christians to be peaceable, respecting, and obeying Roman authority. Such clears the conscience of the Christian seeing that we are not of this world.
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Just because God doesn't not choose to have an earthly literal nation He still lays ground work on which to govern by. He did the same for gentiles in the OT days.
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Since God
doesn’t have a literal earthly nation…how do you suppose to literally enforce the Law of God as commanded by literal Old Testament National Israel?
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Again, there are sins that are not mentioned in the NT that one has to use the OT to condemn them. To use your presupposition one cannot consistantly even call them sins.
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All sins of a moral nature are condemned in the New Testament. Name one that isn’t?
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