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Originally Posted by Ferd
Easty, God punishes nations when "their cup of iniquity" is full. (see Amaleck)
I do believe that the Civil War was the judgement of God on America for the sin of slavery, remember that it was not the founding fathers generation(s) that suffered. the Civil war started 89 years after the Declaration of Independence.
So in part one must agree that the generation that sins isnt always the one that is punished. God allows time for the cup to be emptied in repentance or filled before he decides to forgo judgement or execute it on a nation.
But also understand that when God punishes a nation, it is total. Anyone who thinks 9/11 was Gods judgement has a small opinion of the Judgement of God.
Compair the loss of 3,000 on 9/11 to OT judement. Amaleck was distroyed in total. God said kill their men, women, children, sheep, goats, cows, and everything that lives. Israel and Judah were sent into slavery.
If one believes as I do that the Civil War was the judgement of God on America, consider that more Americans were killed/died from that war than in all the other wars we have fought combined!
Consider also that if Bombing Japan was a "sin" in Gods eyes, and sistimic/institutionalized racism that existed in America until the 1960's was a sin in Gods eyes, then it stands to reason that God in his grace gives a nation to repent.
Consider the shifting attitudes of Americans toward wholesale war, that in Iraq, we do not bomb civilian populations (turning a different direction from the past).
Consider the landmark legal decisions of the supreme court overturning institutionalized racism (sperate but equal), the vast amount of law that has been passed to counter racism. Consider that while we still have predjudice/racism today (read Rico's thread, it is brilliant), we are nowhere near as bad as we were in 1940 or even in 1980.
If God provides time for a nation to turn, then this nation has in many ways either done so or is doing so. And thus must be seen by God as worthy of more time.
Clearly then 9/11 cannot be the judement of God.
but that's just my 2 cents.
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I read what you said in Bro. Eastman's response and wanted to say that you have presented good points.
But what are your thoughts on this....
I don't believe that 9/11 was "THE judgment of God" per se but rather God removing his hand of protection from us in an effort to reveal our vulnerability as a warning. It may serve as the first domino in God's over all purpose to judge our nation seeing that it has expanded into a global war that has left us even more enemies than before and created a government prone to domestic spying and the violation of even more civil liberties. I feel in my spirit that 9/11 was only the beginning of a story that could end with America calling for international aid after a strategic terrorist counter strike using weapons we pray they never acquire if we don't reach her with the Gospel.
9/11 may not seem like the judgment of God if viewed all by itself. However, when all is said and done and it is viewed in the context of the greater struggle unfolding...it may prove to having been the beginning of the end of the United States.
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It should be noted that we still have the majority of the last generation living that witnessed the unveiling of the American Government's abominable actions involving the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment. We may find at least some of the acts mentioned in Jeremiah's condemnation included in God's testimony against America should His judgment fall upon this generation of Americans. I can't see God ignoring such a heinous crime against human beings.
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