Do you have any solutions for those depending on social services? What should we say to Jesus when he ask why we refused to help those in need?
All this "Jesus Asking" business is just plain tiresome.
Fact is, as Christians (not Americans) we are required to help those in need.
Secondly when we as Chirstians support policy that forces the poor into a kind of servitude to the state, we rebel against the Word of God!
help for the poor ought to be in the form of helping them get jobs so they can take care of themselves. And in the cases where they refuese to help themselves, help should be in the form of tuff love that forces them to take care of themsleves.
We will will always have the poor with us. (I have been poor myself on more than one occasion). We should treat them fairly and with respect. we should not build cheep houseing and give them handouts that force them into terrible situations and steal their one personal drive!
What we have done to the poor in America is make them dependant and rob them of their own free will and drive to succeed!
If there is anything that deserves the ire of God, it is this.
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When I worked on President Reagan's first campaign in Mississippi back in 1980 our state campaign co-chariman was a very intelligent black man who wrote an article in which he accused the Federal government of taking Black folks from the "Cotton Plantation" to the "Federal Plantation".
i remember that guy cc1 he was great, ditto for me, too, dt
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All this "Jesus Asking" business is just plain tiresome.
Fact is, as Christians (not Americans) we are required to help those in need.
Secondly when we as Chirstians support policy that forces the poor into a kind of servitude to the state, we rebel against the Word of God!
help for the poor ought to be in the form of helping them get jobs so they can take care of themselves. And in the cases where they refuese to help themselves, help should be in the form of tuff love that forces them to take care of themsleves.
We will will always have the poor with us. (I have been poor myself on more than one occasion). We should treat them fairly and with respect. we should not build cheep houseing and give them handouts that force them into terrible situations and steal their one personal drive!
What we have done to the poor in America is make them dependant and rob them of their own free will and drive to succeed!
If there is anything that deserves the ire of God, it is this.
While reading over Wright's life's history and achievements, I had a hard time understanding how anyone could honestly match the slanderous accusations spinning from FOX News and the neo-cons with this man's many accomplishments.
He had THREE presidential commendations for goodness sake!
[B][SIZE="2"]Courses Taught
Chicago Theological Union The History of the Black Religious Experience (With emphasis on Black worship, understanding and designing Black worship services) Liturgy and Eucharist: Worship in the Black Church (Team taught with Ralph Kieffer)
Chicago Theological Seminary History and Meaning of the Black Church (Team taught with Dr. Robert Meyners) The History of the Black Church in North America
North Park Theological Seminary Black Theology
Seminary Consortium for Urban Pastoral Education Liberation Theology in the Black Church (Team taught with Dr. James White) The Black Church in North America: Structure and Process in the Black Community
La Vern University History of the Black Religious Tradition (Chicago Extension for undergraduate credit)
United Theological Seminary Two Doctor of Ministry Programs Afrocentric Preaching and Pastoring
Garrett Evangelical Seminary Homiletics
Education
2002 Valparaiso University Valparaiso, Indiana Honorary Doctor of Humane Letters
North Park University North Park, Illinois Honorary Doctor of Divinity
2000 Bethune Cookman College Daytona Beach, Florida Honorary Doctor of Laws
1999 Colgate University Syracuse, New York Honorary Doctor of Letters
1990 United Theological Seminary, Dayton, Ohio Doctor of Ministry Degree, Black Sacred music Samuel D. Proctor Fellow
1985 Elmhurst College, Elmhurst, Illinois Honorary Doctor of Divinity
Monrovia Liberia, West Africa Honorary Doctor of Divinity
1982 Chicago Theological Seminary Chicago, Illinois Honorary Doctor of Divinity
1969-75 University of Chicago Divinity School Chicago, Illinois Master of Arts Degree Rockefeller Fellowship
1967-69 Howard University, Washington, DC Master of Arts Degree, Graduate Fellowship Bachelor of Arts Degree, Dean's List
1959-61 Virginia Union University Richmond, Virginia University Scholarship
Accomplishments
Honors
1970-75 Rockefeller Fellowship The Fund for Theological Education
1965-66 3 Presidential Commendations from President Lyndon B. Johnson
1961 Alpha Kappa Mu Honor Society
Special Projects
1997 CD Recording, "The Artist" recorded by The Sanctuary Choir of Trinity UCC
1976 Author & Composer, "Jesus Is his Name", recorded by The Trinity Choral Ensemble, Trinity Label, Chicago, Illinois
1975 Author & Composer, "God Will Answer Prayer", recorded by The Trinity Choral Ensemble Trinity Label, Chicago, Illinois
Researcher for and Contributor to: Black Song: The Forge and the Flame, written by John Lovell.
Career Accomplishments
1972- Pastor present Trinity United Church of Christ Chicago, Illinois
1999 Professor Garrett Evangelical Theological Seminary
1998 Professor Chicago Theological Seminary
1994-96 professor and Mentor for Wright/ Asante/West Fellows, United Theological Seminary, Dayton, Ohio
1992-94 Professor and Mentor for Wright/Kunjufu Fellows, United Theological Seminary, Dayton, Ohio
1976-92 Adjunct professor, Seminary Consortium for Urban Pastoral Education
1975 Adjunct professor, Catholic Theological Union, Chicago, Illinois
1974-75 Adjunct Professor, 1996 Chicago Theological Seminary Chicago, Illinois
1974 Executive Director, Chicago Center for Black Religious Studies Chicago, Illinois
McCormick Theological Seminary, "Martin Luther King Memorial" Lectures
Princeton Seminary, Preacher (1988, 1997)
The Urban Congress of the Seminary Consortium, "Spiritual Roots for Survival & Liberation Study of the Black Religious Tradition in the Perspective of an Urban Setting"
Yale Divinity School, Preacher (1986)
Riverside Church, New York, Fosdick Convocation on Preaching and Worship, "Preaching: The Art of Connecting People with God" (1997)
National Council of Churches, San Jose Costa Rica, Lecturer, "The Incarnation of Faith in African American Culture: The Struggle for Minority Rights in The North" (1997)
Festival of Homiletics, 4th Presbyterian Church, Chicago, Illinois, "Preaching in the Growing Church" (1997)
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Isaiah 53:5: "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."(KJV)
"God sends no one away empty except those who are full of themselves." Dwight L. Moody
While reading over Wright's life's history and achievements, I had a hard time understanding how anyone could honestly match the slanderous accusations spinning from FOX News and the neo-cons with this man's many accomplishments.
Further, I really find this line about fox news to be a bit ignorant. It was ABC that ran the story and brought it to prominence. NOT Fox news.
Sean Hanity was the first to talk about it, but that isnt "FoxNews" that is one of its talking heads.
Further, having viewed the piece offered in this thread, and agreeing with you that it provides context, I saw noting from FoxNew (or ABC for that matter) that is diametrically opposed to what I saw in the opening post of this thread.
there is no lie. there is no misdirection. there is only the words of one man, in context that show him to be a proponent of Liberation Theology and a bigot to boot. (and B. Hussain Obama sat under this guy and learned the lessons for 22 years)
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Your post just proves that a man only takes from education that which he wants to.
It also demonstrates how you can hold the most outrageous positions and still be prominent in the black community because you endorse their tightly held victim mentality.
Black "leaders" get away with all sorts of behaviour, statements, opinions, etc that a white person would be crucified for. Which I find is insulting towards Black people in general. It is like one is excusing outrageous behaviour because the person "just don't know any better, bless their little hearts". Very condescending.
No. Conceding to the fact that the comments, as presented, are to be denounced. Obama’s eliminating the debate and moving forward. He doesn’t see this as something even worth fighting over because, as can be seen here, struggling to find context is met with retort and rancor.
However, any rational human being would be interested in knowing the overall context of the statements and how the sermon ends. It may sound far worse than it really was.
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Further, you call the statements "over the top." Does that mean you agree with assessment issued by various commentators that the statements were unnecessary and uncalled for?
As they were presented, yes. But I have to be honest…I don’t know the overall context of the statements. FOX isn’t giving me the full sermon, only sound bites. Before issuing a definitive opinion I’d like to hear the entire sermon and judge it as a whole.
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As for snippets of what I've said in sermons....I don't mention my political views in sermons. It's much harder to take someone out of context when they are dedicating their pulpit time to preaching a crucified Christ rather than what they think politically.
That should keep you out of trouble. However, there are preachers who radically confront difficult political issues who often say things that their political adversaries seize upon. Such is life in America. LOL
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Obama has spin doctors like everyone else does. They could have simply pointed out JW really did not say what he said everyone is saying and that it was out of context and that fox lied....rather than have Obama lie to everyone else
Actually NPR has featured Liberation Theology theologians who have extensively commented on the context of the theological perspective, homiletic, and black preaching tradition. On MSNBC there was an individual explaining that his comments if viewed in their overall context calls America to repentance so as to spare her…the intent of his sermon wasn’t strictly a condemnation. It was a condemnation of perceived wrongs (some real other’s perceived) and a call to America to stop playing God.
We who stand against the evils of racism and dehumanization really should be in agreement with the overall premise even if we feel some details are debatable.
But I’d like to here it for myself before making a certain call on it either way. Until I have the whole story…I’ll tend to lean toward the benefit of a doubt for Jeremiah Wright….after all…he’s not here to defend himself at present. He’ll come out and explain after the campaign. They want to move on from this and focus on real issues, not the words of an excited black preacher.
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
Ah more of that subjective touchy feely assumptions you would be able to prove. Good grief....You know people, don't be surprised at the responses you get from others when you make sweeping generalizations like this that are unprovable.
You don’t believe gleaning, the poor tithe, and other issues of social justice are explained in the Bible? Did you not read the entire article from Holman Bible Dictionary I presented you? There’s plenty of both Scripture and context to attend to. Research it.
May I offer a challenge? Please prove God didn’t issue laws allowing for gleaning, poor tithes, and social justice for the most needy of society.
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