Do conservatives value individual life and liberties? How can conservatives embrace a system that has and will wrongfully prosecute an American citizen?
No real christian can? because it doesnt match your doctrine?
Do Christians value individual life and liberties? How can Christians embrace a system that has and will wrongfully prosecute another human being?
Are those wrongfully executed merely acceptable losses to preserve the government's power to execute citizens? Are they like the necessary eggs broken to bake the cake? How can a Christian embrace such a position?
Antipas, simply because you come up with a wacky screed that flies in the face of reality (and is vastly historically inaccurate) does not mean you are
A, Accurate
B. Likely to be seen as reasonble.
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listen bro, i am not going to talk to you anymore but i take offense to your nonsensical comment that just because i dont agree with you, i dont think or am brainwashed, my pastor and many other people i know wishes you are right but alas for them you arent, enjoy your little world, i am mine, god bless, dt
You can run from the issue. But the truth remains, our system has wrongfully executed individuals...and will. You profess to be a Christian. That calls you to the highest of individual moral standards. How can you philosophically embrace the government's murder of those wrongfully executed?
Antipas, simply because you come up with a wacky screed that flies in the face of reality (and is vastly historically inaccurate) does not mean you are
A, Accurate
B. Likely to be seen as reasonble.
Do you believe our criminal justice system is right in it's convictions and executions 100% of the time? Yes or no?
Historically Chirstians in this country have been supportive of the death penalty going back to before this country was this country.
Antipas notion that the "Christian Right" has been co-opted by the "ultra conservitive far right" on this issue is laughable.
Beyond that the currnt level of support for the death penalty stands around 70% and that is an historic low, in a time when only 20 odd percent of Americans consider themselves very conservitive.
Even during the years when the Supreme Court ruled that the death penalty was unconstitutional, public support for the death penalty has been very very high.
Antipas, you have chosen a good name for yourself. you seem to stand against a tide called reality.
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Historically Chirstians in this country have been supportive of the death penalty going back to before this country was this country.
Antipas notion that the "Christian Right" has been co-opted by the "ultra conservitive far right" on this issue is laughable.
Beyond that the currnt level of support for the death penalty stands around 70% and that is an historic low, in a time when only 20 odd percent of Americans consider themselves very conservitive.
Even during the years when the Supreme Court ruled that the death penalty was unconstitutional, public support for the death penalty has been very very high.
Antipas, you have chosen a good name for yourself. you seem to stand against a tide called reality.
Actually, I disagree. Most historic Christian groups in the US such as early Anabaptists, Baptists, Amish, brethren churches, and congregationalists had specific standards against the death penalty.
Also...you didn't answer the question. Do you think our criminal justice system is right 100% of the time? Is the execution of one wrongfully prosecuted individual acceptable in our code of moral ethics?
How do you feel about the following statements as given by a prominent Apostolic Pastor, David Bernard:
Quote:
Does not the Bible teach capital punishment? The Old
Testament did establish capital punishment for many sins.
One key passage says, “Life for life, eye for eye, tooth for
tooth” (Exodus 21:23-24).
Jesus specifically superseded this passage, however.
If we use Old Testament precedent to justify our
participation in capital punishment, we must support capital
punishment for crimes such as adultery, breaking the
Sabbath, false prophecy, rebellion against parents, gluttony,
drunkenness, and negligent manslaughter (Exodus
21:28-29; Numbers 15:32-36; Deuteronomy 13:1-5;
21:18-21; 22:22). Likewise, the church would have to
pass judgment, and individual members would have to
cast stones at the criminal. However, Jesus specifically
superseded this practice by refusing to condemn the
woman caught in adultery (John 8:1-11).
Like just war, capital punishment could only work perfectly
in a theocracy. God’s purpose under the law was to
demonstrate that the penalty for sin is death. Now that He
has established this principle, He grants a greater measure
of mercy and time to repent. Christians cannot participate
in capital punishment today, for then they would
pass judgment before God has done so and cut off mercy
before God desires to do so. How ironic it would be to
promote capital punishment and prison ministry at the
same time!
The civil government bears the sword as a servant of
God in maintaining order, exacting vengeance and causing
the evildoer to fear (Romans 13:4). This implies capital
punishment, although it may simply mean the use of
physical force or restraint to maintain order. Apparently,
the civil government can impose capital punishment for
some offenses. God uses the ungodly society as an instrument
to bring judgment upon ungodly lawbreakers.
However, this does not mean He desires for His people to
perform executions, for Christians are warned not to take
vengeance (Romans 12:19).
A Christian should refuse to condemn a person to
death as juror, judge, or executioner. To be logically consistent,
if one will participate in the sentencing process,
he should be willing to perform the execution. However,
in light of Christ’s teachings, this is not a proper role for
a Christian.
Now I contend that it is the conservative Christian who is drifting from the foundational morality of Scripture and Christian ethics as they embrace their marriage with this world's politics. Christians are starting to value being popular conservatives over being...Christian.
I and the readers should take note that you refused to answer.
well, the readers should take note, that when someone starts acting like a bully on the play ground, i tend to get obstinate.
here is how it works, you want a discussion or debate, i will engaga with gusto. and enjoy the exchange. You start down the road of the high and mighty, and instead of answers, im going engage in a way that leaves you with your silliness.
care to go at this in a civilized manner or are you still on a quest to prove how holy you are and how sinful the rest of us brainwashed loosers are?
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well, the readers should take note, that when someone starts acting like a bully on the play ground, i tend to get obstinate.
here is how it works, you want a discussion or debate, i will engaga with gusto. and enjoy the exchange. You start down the road of the high and mighty, and instead of answers, im going engage in a way that leaves you with your silliness.
care to go at this in a civilized manner or are you still on a quest to prove how holy you are and how sinful the rest of us brainwashed loosers are?
Can you explain why I as a Christian should embrace a system that has wrongfully executed individuals in the past and will wrongfully execute more individuals in the future?
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