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Old 04-01-2008, 01:58 PM
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Re: FOX Lies!! Barack Obama Pastor Wright

As far as Benard is concerned, I think he is wrong. Yes Jesus gives us a different path where other acts of sin/crime are concerned but the Apostles speak quite clearly on the subject of the blood. the NT reitterates that the life is in the blood.

those who are blood guilty stand in a different light than any other group of criminals.

society must deal with the issue, and it remains within orthodoxy to prevent one who is blood guilty from killing again. the only way to insure a person cannot kill, is to require their blood (death) for that which was lost. period.

the key for the christian is to always defend the innocent blood. That is why opposition to Aboriton is so important, and why support of the death penalty is not out of the bounds of chirstian faith.

I believe that in Texas the laws as currently written stand strongly against finding an innocent person guilty of capital murder. I know of 1 person (a guy named Cantu I believe) who was executed in the 1980's that might have been innocent. since that time only 2 other cases even approach the subject. One was a person who was guilty of the crime but some said was of deminished capasity. i dont believe this execution was wrong.
the other was a fellow who was guilty of being involved in a robbery as the get away driver. His partner killed the store clerk (I think). both men were executed. this was well within the law.

Now in those states like Ohio (I think) where the law has been proven to put innocents to death or to convict them, it should be set asside until the system can be corrected.

there is a place for the Death Penalty, and it should have strict guidelines.

(that was for the reader not my current nemisis who seems to think he is the arbitor of all things Apostolic)
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Can you explain why I as a Christian should embrace a system that has wrongfully executed individuals in the past and will wrongfully execute more individuals in the future?
I can explain why you as a poster are taking a tact that leads you into full blown head butting and very little meaningful exchange.
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I can explain why you as a poster are taking a tact that leads you into full blown head butting and very little meaningful exchange.
I think we're having a meaningful exchange.
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Old 04-01-2008, 02:07 PM
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Re: FOX Lies!! Barack Obama Pastor Wright

whatever, dt
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Old 04-01-2008, 02:08 PM
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I think we're having a meaningful exchange.
well, then my above post covers the subject quite completely.

As a christian I respect anyone conviction on a matter. But please dont tell me what mine ought to be.... it seemed you did that here.
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well, then my above post covers the subject quite completely.

As a christian I respect anyone conviction on a matter. But please dont tell me what mine ought to be.... it seemed you did that here.
Do you think that might be how Christians who lean Democratic feel when their brethren condemn them for their support of Democratic candidates?
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Old 04-01-2008, 02:45 PM
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Do you think that might be how Christians who lean Democratic feel when their brethren condemn them for their support of Democratic candidates?
that is different. Democrats are of the devil!
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Old 04-01-2008, 02:50 PM
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that is different. Democrats are of the devil!
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No conservitive can support the DP?

Do conservatives value individual life and liberties? How can conservatives embrace a system that has and will wrongfully prosecute an American citizen?

No real christian can? because it doesnt match your doctrine?

Do Christians value individual life and liberties? How can Christians embrace a system that has and will wrongfully prosecute another human being?

Are those wrongfully executed merely acceptable losses to preserve the government's power to execute citizens? Are they like the necessary eggs broken to bake the cake? How can a Christian embrace such a position?
Antipas, below is an article that I wrote for an assignment that I recently completed. This is for you.

Should the U.S. Continue to use Capital Punishment?

I believe that the U.S. should continue to utilize this method of justice for a couple of reasons. Having made this statement, I would like to interject that no system of justice is infallible, and there is nothing that humanity can do to avoid mistakes in any of the decisions that they might make in the future.
The first reason that I support capital punishment is based upon my moral values from my upbringing. These values are biblically based; however, even within the bible there seems to be some contradiction to certain individuals. The faith based men and women who dispute the validity of such punishment, should turn their attention to Numbers 35:16-21, and also verse 30. One argument from this passage might be the fact that we as Christians are not bound by those laws which were written to the Hebrew people. If that is there argument, then one could easily remind them of a universal law submitted by God before the laws of the Hebrews. This law is found in Genesis 9:6, “Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.” I question the validity of someone’s argument that the death penalty isn’t morally right, in fact, based upon the scriptures it is a moral responsibility to carry out this punishment.
Capital punishment should also be utilized for the victims’ families. Sources from three different web sites reveal that a majority of Americans are in favor of the death penalty; these polls show that the U.S. adult constituency has supported this practice by at least 60% since the 1980’s. The web links are: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/arti...id=23&did=1266 , www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/opinion.htm , and http://abcnews.go.com/sections/polit...poll000619.htm . Being that I am a strong proponent of democracy, I believe that Americans should decide on this issue as well.
To answer an article on why lethal injection would be humane depends upon whether “humane” is subjective. When someone says that killing is inhumane, they should take into consideration of the countless victims who faced the same “inhumane” actions of those that murdered. Based upon this reasoning, I would say that it is more humane to administer an anesthesia, paralytic, and then the potassium chloride, than to utilize whatever weapon the murderer used. Some of the arguments based upon the media’s article from the St. Petersburg Times are also in question. In the article, it has been stated that witnesses thought that Angel Diaz “appeared to suffer” when he was administered the drugs. What comes into question from the preceding sentence is; how would they know? Are they medical professionals? The gasping and movement by the condemned are normal occurrences of the drug being administered. According to the web link found at www.nebi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17094530, fasciculation typically happens when the anesthetic drug is administered to begin with. The same drugs that are used for lethal injection are also used by operating room anesthesiologists (other than the actual potassium chloride). Why is it that these drugs aren’t remembered as painful by their patients? Humane is subjective in this case.
The most important element to remember is the victims’ families. People want closure from the violence and injustice caused by someone else’s inhumane act.
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listen bro, i am not going to talk to you anymore but i take offense to your nonsensical comment that just because i dont agree with you, i dont think or am brainwashed, my pastor and many other people i know wishes you are right but alas for them you arent, enjoy your little world, i am mine, god bless, dt
You live in a little world? j/k
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