My Pastor Said Something Profound Tonight.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Chan

Oh, yes, if things aren't being done the way we were raised, they're wrong!

I'm not sure whether such comparison is a good thing or a bad thing but if some other church is doing something that works, what's wrong with the pastor getting permission from the Holy Ghost to do it in his church?

That's because you're stuck in tradition, in routine.

Well, excuse us for distracting you! Maybe by feeding these children (who might not otherwise get breakfast), your pastor is doing a good work that may serve as a testimony to the community that "this is a church that really cares."

Why is this a problem? What did Jesus say to the disciples when they objected to all those children being brought to him?

So, why do you have a problem with this?

Why were some of the adults clapping? Shouldn't THEY have known this was "very serious and not something to be clapped for"? I don't know exactly what you mean when you say he admonished them for clapping but I suspect that what he did wasn't as out of proportion as you make it seem.

Yes, and what about all the children who were present when Jesus preached the sermon on the mount? How long were they sitting there? I don't doubt that someone should be keeping track of the children and not let them wander all over the place. Well, well, it looks like you just might have something to talk to your pastor about instead of sitting there on your blessed assurance waiting for him to come to you as if you are soooooo far superior to him.

So, instead of leaving the church, DO SOMETHING! Go talk to your pastor. Talk to the elders. It's amazing how well actually talking to people works. Jesus commanded us that if we have something against someone, we're to GO TO THAT PERSON and talk to him about it.

Chan, I will only respond to say that you read more into my posts than I wrote and you have no clue what I'm even talking about.

For instance, the kids coming up late into service after eating breakfast isn't the problem, it's the lack of direction that leads to wandering all over the sanctuary, going in and out looking for their friends, running up and down the aisle, things like that. When I was a kid in church, we had adults who would take the initiative to help us out and control us in some way. Also, keep in mind that this is a very small church. The smallest happening can be distracting where in a large church nobody would notice.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Malvaro

HO can't say that she truly knows that pastor's vision or reasoning, as she's stated that she's never talked with him....

I only know what he's said over the pulpit, and that's that other churches and pastors are doing it, so he's giving it a try, hoping for the same results.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Chan

Me, me, me, me, me. It's all about me.

You walk up to him, hold out your hand and say, "Hi, pastor, I'm Sister so-and-so. I just wanted to introduce myself."

There is more than me that attends that church, however, I'm one of about 40, not one of 4000.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I mean they don't delegate authority. They don't delegate anything....they DO a lot more than lead and delegate. They take on coordinating childrens skits, coming up with all sort of new ideas etc etc...I think the Pastor should allow others to do that sort of stuff and he can monitor them and guide and even reject certain ideas.

Oh, he delegates, but still wants to control it, if you understand what I mean. He's not merely overseeing.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

In other words you can't please everyone and some folks are nothing but critics?

If this is how I'm seen, I'm bowing out of the thread. This is NOT what I'm about. It's his church and he can do whatever he wants to do with it, whether I agree or not.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Oh, he delegates, but still wants to control it, if you understand what I mean. He's not merely overseeing.

Micro-Manager?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Oh, he delegates, but still wants to control it, if you understand what I mean. He's not merely overseeing.

Delegate when you have 40 people??????????? After all he is the pastor???

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Micro-Manager?

Something like that. He means well, no doubt about it, but he also has a mentality that 'I'm and man and I'm the pastor and what I say, goes.' He does listen to his leaders when they have objections but it's usually after he's said something that gets them in a tizzy first. Like making decisions without checking with them first to get their input or if it'll work with their schedule.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Delegate when you have 40 people??????????? After all he is the pastor???

If you have a youth pastor, do you continue making decisions for them without speaking to them about your ideas, or just make statements over the pulpit about what they will be doing...realize that you haven't said anything to them before the announcement over the pulpit.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Something like that. He means well, no doubt about it, but he also has a mentality that 'I'm and man and I'm the pastor and what I say, goes.' He does listen to his leaders when they have objections but it's usually after he's said something that gets them in a tizzy first. Like making decisions without checking with them first to get their input or if it'll work with their schedule.

Bro. Epley has a point about it being a small church...some pastors aren't necessarily being "controlling" so much as they have difficulty finding anyone they can completely trust or depend on.

People skills are really vital for a man to be a good pastor, IMHO. If he can't get along with and trust the people he puts into leadership positions, then he has a big problem...now whether that is due to his own inability to trust others, or their lack of trustworthiness...or a little of both...? Who knows?