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05-01-2008, 07:32 AM
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Re: 1st thread
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Shag, my thoughts along these lines will be a bit controversial.... LOL!
I think we should not only be comfortable praying in the manner of the disciples... but that we SHOULD pray in that fashion ourselves.
Have we received something Christ and His followers did not??
At times, I think we should actually pray the words that Jesus prayed - after all he instructed us to say them...
2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name...
It is noteworthy that while Jesus claimed to God (the very God of the Father in Heaven) He did not claim to be the Father.
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I'm not sure I understood what You meant (the very God of the Father in heaven). Please fill me in. Thanks for your input on the subject.
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05-01-2008, 08:05 AM
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Re: My 1st thread / Apostolic Language?
I have no problem with the scriptures or saying the father of our Lord Jesus Christ...
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05-01-2008, 10:20 AM
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Re: My 1st thread / Apostolic Language?
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I have no problem with the scriptures or saying the father of our Lord Jesus Christ...
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I agree and have no problem with it as well, I'm just curious as to, in my experience within all the apostolic pentecostal churches that I have been privealedged to visit, and am proudly apart of, why I only hear "Jesus". And I dearly love that name to which there is salvation in none other. But I never personally hear the word/title "Father" being used as did the apostle Paul and others so often in their writings, except as I mentioned when we sing of our revelation of Jesus is the Father..., other wise I don't hear too much about "the Father". In my experience "the church" skips the distinction (Father), and just says "Jesus", yet Paul and the others did not, atleast nearly to the extent we do. So I'm just wondering everyone elses opinion why.
Thanks to all for posting your thoughts on this question!
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05-01-2008, 10:26 AM
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Re: My 1st thread / Apostolic Language?
I certainly have no problem with the language of the Bible and use it liberally in my preaching. However I understand the distinction as the writer did. NOT a distinction as persons but as Father as God and Son as mediator. Two roles of that ONE glorious person.
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05-01-2008, 12:19 PM
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Re: My 1st thread / Apostolic Language?
I hope that if some stranger (modern day Paul)came in our churches from off the street, and said during testimony service, "I thank God the Father, in the name of his Son Jesus Christ, for giving me this opertunity to testify of his mercy.- that we wouldn't, in our minds, hit him in the back of the head with a 12 lb. King James, and tell him he needs the revelation of the oneness of God. 
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As for me, may I never boast about anything except the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ. Because of that cross, my interest in this world has been crucified, and the world’s interest in me has also died.- Gal. 6:14
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05-01-2008, 12:57 PM
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Re: 1st thread
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Originally Posted by shag
I'm not sure I understood what You meant (the very God of the Father in heaven). Please fill me in. Thanks for your input on the subject.
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Awe - yes. I wanted to be clear that the Father and the Son are the one same person of God.
Having said that, however, I do not believe Jesus, the Son of God, was his own Father...
The very definitions of Father and Son prevent the mixing of the terms.
The Father is God as He relates to creation, and to His only begotten Son, apart from, and outside of, the incarnation.
The Son is God in and through the incarnation.
To mix the terms is to do injustice to scripture and in some cases promotes a skewed Christology.
So while Jesus, the Son of God, was divine and God himself, it is improper IMHO, to say He is His own Father.
I cannot in good conscience sing the song you referenced... "I know Jesus is the Father..."
Even though I know and understand Jesus is God Almighty. 
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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05-01-2008, 12:59 PM
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Re: 1st thread
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Awe - yes. I wanted to be clear that the Father and the Son are the one same person of God.
Having said that, however, I do not believe Jesus the Son of God was his own Father...
The very definitions of Father and Son prevent the mixing of the terms.
The Father is God as He relates to creation and the only begotten Son, apart from, and outside of, the incarnation.
The Son is God in and through the incarnation.
To mix the terms is to do injustice to scripture and in some cases promotes a skewed Christology.
So while Jesus, the Son of God, was divine and God himself, it is improper IMHO, to say He is His own Father.
I cannot in good conscience sing the song you referenced... "I know Jesus is the Father..."
Even though I know and understand Jesus is God Almighty. |
I have heard more than one trinitarian accuse us of believing Jesus was his own father.
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05-01-2008, 01:02 PM
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Re: 1st thread
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I have heard more than one trinitarian accuse us of believing Jesus was his own father.
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...And sometimes they have good cause for the accusation!
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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05-01-2008, 01:04 PM
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Re: My 1st thread / Apostolic Language?
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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05-01-2008, 01:04 PM
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Still Figuring It Out.
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Re: My 1st thread / Apostolic Language?
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
I certainly have no problem with the language of the Bible and use it liberally in my preaching. However I understand the distinction as the writer did. NOT a distinction as persons but as Father as God and Son as mediator. Two roles of that ONE glorious person.
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So you if you were at one of those big time high church havin' apostolic meetings and a preacher came to the pulpit and he started off his thoughts with the following phrase you wouldn't wonder about his beliefs?
(Stealing this from Shag... )
"I thank God the Father, in the name of his Son Jesus Christ, for..."
You wouldn't have any issue with the wording of that opening phrase?
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