I hear you, Prax.
the Muslim thing is a non-issue with me personally, but that was a small part of the video. Did you watch the whole thing? its 13 minutes long.
Apart from the muslim thing, the video raised a lot of valid points.. such as... Jeremiah Wright, che Guevara's flag, his refusing to wear an American flag, not holding his hand over his heart while the national anthem was being sung... etc.. (Even if he feels he has legitimate reasons for it, the national anthem thing, and the flag pin thing show an astounding lack of judgment, since he must know full well that many Americans would find his behavior on this to be offensive)
These are legitimate issues that deserve consideration. Not to mention his association with former domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, legitimate questions about his true feelings regarding Israel, and other issues I'll not get into right now. The fact is, this guy has more baggage than a 747. Its just a question of how of this is going to become widely known, and how much the media will sweep under the rug.
Did Obama say with his own mouth that he refuses to wear a flag pin? And did Obama say with his own mouth that he refuses to salute the flag? See a polemic can make anyone look bad if done the right way. They took an isolated event where the camera supposedly catches him not covering his heart...does he do that all the time? Did he forget? I don't know.
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The truth is that right after 9/11 I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security.
"I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest," he said in the interview. "Instead, I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testament to my patriotism."
On Thursday, his campaign issued a statement: "We all revere the flag, but Senator Obama believes that being a patriot is about more than a symbol. It's about fighting for our veterans when they get home and speaking honestly with the American people about this disastrous war."
I could only watch a little bit of the video because of time restraints and even now can't get back to it right away, but I did see the part where Obama in an interview said he wouldn't wear the flag pin.. and I saw the video clip where he would not put his hand over his heart.
That would red flag me if I were an American. In Canada we don't usually put our hands over our hearts during the national athem... we stand at attention with hands at sides as a general rule. But if I were American.. where virtually everyone puts the hand over the heart, it would make me wonder.
I don't envy the United States and thier decision to be made. I do pray for you though.
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Not wearing a red flag is NOT an official snub of anything. How many of you Americans are wearing US flags right now on your shirts? Look, if he is a deceptive person why not just wear the flag to throw us all off? Why explain later
The truth is that right after 9/11 I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security.
"I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest," he said in the interview. "Instead, I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testament to my patriotism."
On Thursday, his campaign issued a statement: "We all revere the flag, but Senator Obama believes that being a patriot is about more than a symbol. It's about fighting for our veterans when they get home and speaking honestly with the American people about this disastrous war."???
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Did Obama say with his own mouth that he refuses to wear a flag pin? And did Obama say with his own mouth that he refuses to salute the flag? See a polemic can make anyone look bad if done the right way. They took an isolated event where the camera supposedly catches him not covering his heart...does he do that all the time? Did he forget? I don't know.
Again, I must ask if you actually watched the video.
1... Yes, he explained "from his own moth" why he does not wear an American flag pin. His decision to stop wearing it, was in part, over the Iraq war. Whether or not one is satisfied with his explanation is up the individual. His own words?: " I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest". You can check the link here for more detail on that.
2... and no, he never stated that he refuses to wear the flag. However, in the incident on camera, he stood throughout the entire anthem and didn't do it, even though the other 2 candidates on the platform with him had their hand on their hearts. You're telling me it was just an oversight? Even a 2nd grader knows its traditional to cover one's heart during the anthem, but a US senator doesn't know it? For most public officials, it's second nature! Or what do you think... that he forgot? Do you think he didn't see hundreds of people right in front of them who had their hand over their heart?
You can vote for the Obama-nable candidate if you want to, but I believe this man is dangerous to America.
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2... and no, he never stated that he refuses to wear the flag. However, in the incident on camera, he stood throughout the entire anthem and didn't do it, even though the other 2 candidates on the platform with him had their hand on their hearts. You're telling me it was just an oversight? Even a 2nd grader knows its traditional to cover one's heart during the anthem, but a US senator doesn't know it? For most public officials, it's second nature! Or what do you think... that he forgot? Do you think he didn't see hundreds of people right in front of them who had their hand over their heart?
You can vote for the Obama-nable candidate if you want to, but I believe this man is dangerous to America.
I am not an Obama fan, but I get so tired of hearing about Obama standing at attention instead holding his hand over his heart...both are very acceptable practices and standing at attention is the method of choice for people that have been in the military.
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1... Yes, he explained "from his own moth" why he does not wear an American flag pin. His decision to stop wearing it, was in part, over the Iraq war. Whether or not one is satisfied with his explanation is up the individual. His own words?: " I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest". You can check the link here for more detail on that.
Did you even read my post? I already quoted what he said and posted it twice now. His reasoning was that he felt there were better ways than to express patriotism. Anyone can wear a flag and it does not make them an American. Nor does NOT wearing a flag make one NOT american
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2... and no, he never stated that he refuses to wear the flag. However, in the incident on camera, he stood throughout the entire anthem and didn't do it, even though the other 2 candidates on the platform with him had their hand on their hearts. You're telling me it was just an oversight? Even a 2nd grader knows its traditional to cover one's heart during the anthem, but a US senator doesn't know it? For most public officials, it's second nature! Or what do you think... that he forgot? Do you think he didn't see hundreds of people right in front of them who had their hand over their heart?
I will tell you what...how many national anthems do you think he sat or stood through? (BTW he was standing)? You think none of them were on camera? Surely they can come up with more than that one instance. And as I said, if Obama was wanting to pull the wool over our eyes he would have FOR SURE put his hand over his heart and wear a flag just to fool us.
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You can vote for the Obama-nable candidate if you want to, but I believe this man is dangerous to America.
You are clearly not a very objective person. If you were you would have actually read my posts and saw that I NEVER indicated he was not dangerous. I indicated he WAS but for far better reasons than this polemic. Anyone can make a video making ANYONE look bad.
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I am not an Obama fan, but I get so tired of hearing about Obama standing at attention instead holding his hand over his heart...both are very acceptable practices and standing at attention is the method of choice for people that have been in the military.
Subjective people don't want to hear that. They want to believe whatever they want to believe despite the lack of proof. They love these kinds of polemics
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Seriously, there are good factual and honest reason to NOT vote for this man.
He is a socialist. He is way too liberal compared to past Democratic presidents.
None of which are "his father was a muslim"...in fact his father was a secularist muslim...in other words he would even be an infidel to most Muslims. Obama was raised by his Christian grandparents.
I get tired of these kinds of polemics because they fire off in the wrong direction when the real reasons we should not vote for him are far more insidious than having a muslim background.
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I'd rather have Hillery than Obama honestly. I see Hillery taking a lot of shots by Conservatives too....if they were really on the ball they would focus more on Obama just in case McCain loses
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You can vote for the Obama-nable candidate if you want to, but I believe this man is dangerous to America.
Sigh........
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I kinda figured he was dangerous as soon as I heard his earlier schooling was in a madras. I don't care if I'm politically incorrect or seem like I'm not being fair but the guy has too many ties to the muslim faith and apparently the wacko "nation of Islam" friends too. Regardless of who says what, in general the old saying is true, "birds of a feather flock together". He spent 20 years in the church in Chicago, don't tell me he didn't agree with the hate the white man religion that was coming across the pulpit!
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Forgive me, I'm Canadian and I am not aware of all the details of the men and women involved in the political arena.
Obama's name includes HUSSEIN?
Folks, this is going to be a joke in the eyes of the world if he gets in. LOL. Wow.
America, get with it!
The Obama/Osama thing is one thing. Hussein too?
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