Fooled by Barak Hussein Obama

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

I wish we had a more conservative Republican running...*sigh**

Even the Republicans have become less and less of a conservative party over the years.

I look for that trend to only continue.

[Rhoni]

The Bible talks about the old men dreaming dreams and the young men seeing visions in the last days...do we see this happening?

[DanielR]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Did you see the video, Daniel? I'm guessing you didn't....
The man was not "standing at attention" by any definition.

No, I didn't bother to see "this" video. Over the past year I've seen so many photocrop jobs trying to prove him to be so evil that quite frankly, I tired of it. So there is no need for me to see this video because it isn't going to effect my vote anyway. I'm still voting for an underdog candidate because I vote for the right person even if nobody else does.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by DanielR

No, I didn't bother to see "this" video. Over the past year I've seen so many photocrop jobs trying to prove him to be so evil that quite frankly, I tired of it. So there is no need for me to see this video because it isn't going to effect my vote anyway. I'm still voting for an underdog candidate because I vote for the right person even if nobody else does.

It wasn't a "photocrop job" and Barak looked like he was rather slouched and uncomfortable. He appeared to be just "getting it over with" while Hillary came off looking prim and perky.

I'm concerned about having a guy in the White House who believes that HIV was "created by the U.S. government." Barak's "spiritual mentor" rails about that. Anybody that looney would be dangerous around the stuff that the U.S. government really has created!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

I wish we had a more conservative Republican running...*sigh**

Well, so do I and many others but we can certainly agree with John McCain much much more than with either Hillary or Hussein.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

The Bible talks about the old men dreaming dreams and the young men seeing visions in the last days...do we see this happening?

careful there, Sis, when you talk about old men

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

The he issue here is, he used to wear one, then he decided to stop. Why did he stop? The man himself said, he thought the prevalence of flag pins during the lead-up to the Iraq war (often by conservatives/right wingers) displayed a sense of false patriotism.

WHO cares why he stopped. Do you wear a flag pin? I don't. As I said there are better VALID reasons to NOT vote for him

You yourself acknowledge that the man is a socialist (aka left winger). Obama being a leftist, has long played to the anti-war left, and he chose to distance himself from the American flag as a political statement.

He is a leftest because of jhis socialist agenda NOT because he does not wear a flag pin. As I said there are REAL reasons to not vote for him rather than trying to invent things let's just look at his record.

Many of those on the hard-left despised those who wore those flag pins ["flag-wavers", conservatives, "Bush-supporters", etc], and they themselves wouldn't be caught dead wearing one, so as not to be "on the same page" as those people. His decision to stop wearing a flag pin was a statement, as he chose to pander to the hard left.

There are not enough to the far left to get him voted into office. He would be better pandering to the left and centrist and the undecided independents. As I said...this topic is about being fooled by Obama. If I was a leftest and I wanted to fool you I would keep wearing the flag pin etc etc...the flag pin is a non-issue as was the National Anthem issue. There are far better issues and it would make for a much better argument to focus on them than to appeal to these non issues. They just make IMO these kinds of stories less credible to people that are objective and intelligent.

And no... I'm not politically objective. I am subjective. I am a conservative and I am no fan of liberals or liberalism.

I can decide to NOT be a liberal and be a conservative based on objective evidence rather than on my feelings or personal opinion. I am a conservative. I am also not a fan of liberals, but I don't see how that has anything to do with being conservative or subjective.

However, objectivity is not necessarily required when it comes to politics. Truthfulness is.

That is almost oxymoronic.
Objective
not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion.

Truth is factual and based on facts. It is NOT subjective or subject to the whims of personal feelings.

If you see anything there thats not factually true, then feel free to say that. But this man making a video of someone he opposes politically does not require "objectivity". As a matter of fact, subjectivity and personal bias are a natural part of the process. Many political ads/campaigns etc, are supposed to highlight the flaws of the other guy. That's just how it works

You can't deal in factual truth and NOT be objective but be subjective.

Personal bias based on feelings or inner opinions are NOT the same thing as a personal bias based on the facts. You want to be OBJECTIVE and decide Obama is not the right candidate based on FACTS. And there ARE facts as I said some REAL facts that are WORTH considering. Just because I say this is a polemic and that the issue of the pin and the anthem are non issues does NOT make me for Obama or a liberal.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

2... and no, he never stated that he refuses to wear the flag. However, in the incident on camera, he stood throughout the entire anthem and didn't do it, even though the other 2 candidates on the platform with him had their hand on their hearts. You're telling me it was just an oversight? Even a 2nd grader knows its traditional to cover one's heart during the anthem, but a US senator doesn't know it?

A second grader knows it is a tradition to put your hand over your heart during the PLEDGE of allegiance...not during the singing of the national anthem. Some people might do it, but not all. Usually most people sing along and Obama was doing just that and standing.

At ball games they say "Ladies and gentlemen, please stand for the singing of the national anthem" and he did that.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Not wearing a red flag is NOT an official snub of anything. How many of you Americans are wearing US flags right now on your shirts? Look, if he is a deceptive person why not just wear the flag to throw us all off? Why explain later

The truth is that right after 9/11 I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security.


"I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest," he said in the interview. "Instead, I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testament to my patriotism."


On Thursday, his campaign issued a statement: "We all revere the flag, but Senator Obama believes that being a patriot is about more than a symbol. It's about fighting for our veterans when they get home and speaking honestly with the American people about this disastrous war."???

Sorry I don't buy into this propraganda. Any true patriot will where a flag.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Esther

Sorry I don't buy into this propraganda. Any true patriot will where a flag.

I don't wear a flag. Nor do I own one. Does that mean I am not patriotic?