Will those that leave standards be lost?

[Charlie Brown]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

You're messing with the words.......standards and being moral are two different things.

Look at Keiths words, that you amened, again.

Originally Posted by keith4him

Let's answer it with a question, when one keeps moral standards are they saved?

Now Keith has stated that there are moral standards. I am not sure what he means. I am assuming he means living a good clean life, but you know what happens when you assume. The problem is, when he answered a question with a question, he didn't leave us the direction he was going. Therefore I can answer his question as it is written both ways. I know folks that live a good clean moral life that are not christians, and I know folks that do the same that are saved.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Ronzo

I'm not in the UPC and I agree wholeheartedly.


Picking scabs isn't the way to keep a conversation going.

giggle. OF but not in.... is more like it.


Standards are PERSONAL to me. nobody gets to work out my salvation but me.

Nor do I try to work out others salvation.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

Look at Keiths words, that you amened, again.






Now Keith has stated that there are moral standards. I am not sure what he means. I am assuming he means living a good clean life, but you know what happens when you assume. The problem is, when he answered a question with a question, he didn't leave us the direction he was going. Therefore I can answer his question as it is written both ways. I know folks that live a good clean moral life that are not christians, and I know folks that do the same that are saved.

Well, I believe I know what Keith meant, but let's wait on him.

[Charlie Brown]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Well, I believe I know what Keith meant, but let's wait on him.

HAHAHAHA!!!!



I think I will go for a while before mom gets upset and puts me in the crying room!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

HAHAHAHA!!!!



I think I will go for a while before mom gets upset and puts me in the crying room!

Or send Lucy after you!

[Arphaxad]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

After having read through a few threads, I think I will stir the pot and ask this question.

STANDARDS; Are they really heaven or hell issues?

Flags are not heaven or hell issues.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Dude, what did you expect? Hehehe............

I saw your avitar and at first glance, I said, "HEY, I know that guy..."

Then I realized who it was...


...sometimes I am not the sharpest pencil in the box.

Will anyone be saved?????


As sand flows through the hour glass...................



so are the days of our lives.......



People People....

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

Do moral standards equate to salvation?? No, the muslims dress as modest as can be, and they are lost.

But do the lack of moral standards equate to the lack of salvation??

Let me define this further, I do not believe that we are saved by keeping Biblical standards, nor do I believe that by not keeping standards is one necessarily lost. Faith is what saves us period, now in the process of walking in faith (I define faith as Hearing God+obedience=Faith) one will do and not do certain things, but doing or not doing those things without faith does not matter at all period.

As the old addage says, we must not get the cart before the horse. The greater question is does the absence of faith cause one to be lost? YES it does, and the scripture is clear that one can be moral, have standards even Biblical ones, and still be lost. Hell is full of such folks.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

After having read through a few threads, I think I will stir the pot and ask this question.

STANDARDS; Are they really heaven or hell issues?

If you really want to get "into" it, then you're going to have to define what standards in particular you are referring to regarding heaven and hell issues. Probably most understand here that have an apostolic history, but not everyone does. So which ones are you referring to?