Did These Gals Preach ?

[Sister Alvear]

One thing we know for certain prophecy is God's direct word through a human channel..preaching mixes God's word with man's word...a speech using scriptures...Prophecy is Thus saith the LORD...
Sounds powerful to me! I had rather have Thus saith the Lord than a lot of fancy sermons I hear...

[Sister Alvear]

Visit a few campmeetings...see how much "THUS saith the Lord" you hear...If you visit the same groups you hear the same speakers and most of the time the same sermon that somone knows just how to raise and lower their voices...someone knows how to cheer lead the crowd...but few really know what, THUS saith the LORD...

[Sister Alvear]

We read in the Revelation that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. You will find that true prophetic utterance always exalts the Lamb of God and not a show of man's abilities.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

You start with a wrong premise. They ARE allowed to pray and prophesy in the meeting IF they cover their heads.

A woman's head covering was indicative of her submission to her husband,

"5But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head (ie her husband, Ephesians 5:23): for that is even all one as if she were shaven (as a harlot).
6For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
7For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
8For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.
9Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
10For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels." - I Corinthians 11:5-10

Headcovering was a sign of submission to another headship, that of the husband. That ties directly into my first reference to I Timothy 2:9-13.

What the Lords word seems to teach is that he does not call Women to be the LEADERS of the Church. They may go out and PREACH the gospel all they want and be blessed.

Amen.

[Sister Alvear]

A godly woman would never want to rule over a man...(just my opinion)

In all humility and respect I submit this thought, I give greater weight to biblical preaching and teaching straight from Scripture than prophetic utterances. Prophetic utterances must always be checked against the book anyway, they don't stand on their own merits. I've witnessed too many utterances that were not from God. So I place a higher premium on preaching that comes straight from the Word of God. If it's in the book, one can say, "Thus saith the LORD" and they KNOW the LORD said it. And woe unto him that resists the words of the LORD.

But that's just me. I know others who feel differently.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Grasshopper

In all humility and respect I submit this thought, I give greater weight to biblical preaching and teaching straight from Scripture than prophetic utterances. Prophetic utterances must always be checked against the book anyway, they don't stand on their own merits. I've witnessed too many utterances that were not from God. So I place a higher premium on preaching that comes straight from the Word of God. If it's in the book, one can say, "Thus saith the LORD" and they KNOW the LORD said it. And woe unto him that resists the words of the LORD.

But that's just me. I know others who feel differently.

I'm not arguing with you.
Prophetic words need to be checked against the written Word
but so does all teaching, all preaching, and all testimony.

Prophecy is just a person saying something they believe God wants them to say. But so is preaching and teaching.

[bkstokes]

Originally Posted by Sam

I'm not arguing with you.
Prophetic words need to be checked against the written Word
but so does all teaching, all preaching, and all testimony.

Prophecy is just a person saying something they believe God wants them to say. But so is preaching and teaching.

Sam

I have heard many elders teach that the prophets of the NT are different than the prophets of the OT. The OT prophets could be stoned if they missed it. The NT prophets don't have to worry about this.

And I am sure that there are many who are glad of that fact because sometimes we miss it. But that is the only way we really learn how to do it.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

What the Lords word seems to teach is that he does not call Women to be the LEADERS of the Church. They may go out and PREACH the gospel all they want and be blessed.

I'd like to modify a previous answer I gave. To the above statement I said, Amen. But after reviewing the Scriptures I think women can function as prophetesses, deacons, and teachers. It looks like Prisca was Aquila's partner in evangelizing. All of these are significant roles in leadership. The only role I see distinctly restricted to men is that o fa Bishop or Pastor.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Grasshopper

I'd like to modify a previous answer I gave. To the above statement I said, Amen. But after reviewing the Scriptures I think women can function as prophetesses, deacons, and teachers. It looks like Prisca was Aquila's partner in evangelizing. All of these are significant roles in leadership. The only role I see distinctly restricted to men is that o fa Bishop or Pastor.

It says they took him unto them but it don't necessarily mean she expounded.[26] And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.Women can't teach men or have athority over men. Under the old testement law women never held an office of head athority. Under the new testement Jesus never chose a woman to be an apostle or any head ministry.Women can prophecy but can't have any office of athority.

1 Tim.2:[12] But I suffer (allow)not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.[13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve.[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.[15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety

Women can teach,preach,prophecy to other women.Titus2:[3] The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;[4] That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children

If a man,not a woman desires the office of bishop,a bishop MUST be able to teach and a woman can't teach a man.1 Tim.3:[1] This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.[2] A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;[3] Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

A WOMAN CAN"T RULE THE HOUSE [4] One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;[5] (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)[6] Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.[7] Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

A woman can prophecy(Foretell,).Acts2:[17] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:[18] And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy

A woman can prophecy(fortell) in assemblies as long as she stays under the athority of the men).1 Cor.14:[29] Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.[30] If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.[31] For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.[32] And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.[33] For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

A woman must be veiled with a veil when praying or prophesying as a sign she is under athority of the men.A woman has two veils,one her long hair and the other a veil when she prays and prophesieth.1 Cor.11:[3] But I would have you know, that the head (athority)of every man is Christ; and the head (athority)of the woman is the man; and the head (athority)of Christ is God.


[4] Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered(veiled), dishonoureth his head(athority,Christ).[5] But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered(unveiled) dishonoureth her head(athority,man): for that is even all one as if she were shaven.[6] For if the woman be not covered(veiled), let her also be shorn(cut her hair): but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn(cut her hair) or shaven, let her be covered(veiled).


[7] For a man indeed ought not to cover (veil)his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.[8] For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.[9] Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.[10] For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.[11] Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.


[12] For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of god.[13] Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered(unveiled)?[14] Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?[15] But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering(veiling).[16] But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

A woman can't talk and ask questions in the assemblies.1 Cor.14:[35] And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak (Ask questions,talk)in the church(assemblies).[36] What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?[37] If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord