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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Nope, that is not what he said. When I read it, it neither speculated that the things itself were a move of God or specifically that they were evidence of a move of God. But from everything he said, like backsliders praying through I gathered what he meant was this was the result of a move of God.
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READ THE WORDS!
"We had a tremendous, awesome move of God in our service yesterday! The annointing and presence of God was so incredibly strong. . .people were running, shouting, jumping, getting slain. . .people that needed victory claimed it and received it, backsliders were finding their way back to an altar of prayer. . it was just AWESOME!!" There is nothing in this that says these things he described were THE RESULT of the "awesome move of God." The words he used, and the exact order in which he used them, shows he was saying those things he listed WERE the move of God (the "move" being the "anointing and presence of God" that "was so incredibly strong").
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Well I agree this needs to be more common, but if that is the case why "poopoo" this happening and not rather encourage it to happen more?
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Who was doing that? The original poster testified about it in such a way as to suggest it was out of the ordinary and I was questioning why it is out of the ordinary.
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He said backsliders were finding an alter again and that people were believing God for "victory" and were getting it (I can't remember what word he said) and he attributed that to "we have a move of God"....
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Well, it was more likely they were finding the alt
ar but hopefully they were covenanting with God to alt
er their backslidden lives. And, yes, he was saying this was part of the move itself.
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As for your last statement....backsliders repenting and people believing God for some sort of victory and receiving it....why can't that be attributed to a move of God's Spirit? The Spirit brought conviction to those backsliders and maybe even a fearfulness or reverence so that they knew they were wrong and needed to get right?
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You're not getting it! He didn't merely attribute it to the move of God (my previous use of "attribute" was wrong), he said this was part of the move itself. What these people were REALLY doing was THEIR REACTION, THEIR RESPONSE.
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And the Spirit of God gave faith...maybe the gift of faith was in operation (a Gift of the Spirit) and because of that members were able to believe more than before and receive things they had needed.
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But, again, this is not the "move" itself.
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And can the move of God's Spirit bring Joy and fill one's heart with rejoicing? Might that result in people shouting, dancing...leaping etc etc?..
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You still haven't shown that God does "move" in the Church.
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Maybe this person was saying "Wow...we had such a move of God (Note the order). People were restored to their relationship with God (backsliders)...people were able to believe God for things they had not before, people were rejoicing with shouts of praise, praying, crying, jumping, dancing etc etc"
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Again, saying that all those things WERE the move itself or the evidence of the move.
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That last part does not necessarily prove God was moving, however it's also not necessarily an isolated action that happens without the move of God either. You'd have to be there to know whether it was just a happy service where the saints endulged in praise and happiness because of what God had done in their lives and yes maybe even in response to the musical stimulus that are songs of praise to Him and brings edification (which is what the bible commands).
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There's a difference between what God does and what we do. As for musical "stimulus," this is what I was referring to, this notion of using music or preaching to manufacture a particular emotional response and then claiming it was God moving.
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It could be the music inspired people to praise and worship more and pray more and have faith more and be in unity more and maybe as a result God's Spirit moves as they were in "One mind and one Accord" and "gathered together in My name".
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Not inspired. Induced or manufactured a particular response as so often happens in Pentecostal churches. You cannot deny that musical and preaching style, volume, etc. are used to INDUCE a certain emotional response.
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However, since WE were not there I don't think we can make a judgement as to say "Well it was not genuine praise, you all were just getting emotional and the Spirit of God was just simply not moving", don't you agree?
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We can make a judgment based on what someone who was there reported and how he reported it. You still haven't shown that God actually "moves" in a service or that there are times when, somehow, God is not there and has to be induced to "drop by" as it were.