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Old 05-31-2008, 02:34 PM
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This is the same type of question people ask about other deviancies, like homosexuality. The issue of transgendered people, along with homosexuality are the result of man's fallen nature in the sight of God. So, no, God doesn't make the mistake, sin causes the mistake.
Glad to hear you say that!
Now what of the question... should we be living as we were born?
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Glad to hear you say that!
Now what of the question... should we be living as we were born?
You didn't actually think I would get on a Christian forum and advocate that God makes mistakes, did you? I'd have so many cyber feet stuck in my backside that I wouldn't be able to walk for weeks!!!


I do, however, think that science will eventually find deficiencies in the brains of those who suffer from deviant behaviours. Even still, those deficiencies would be caused by man's fallen nature, not any mistake on the part of God.

If scientific proof that such deficiencies exist is ever found, us Christians will have an even bigger battle to fight against those who would use the information to discredit the truth of God's Word. Thank God that His Word comes with its own power to shine the light of truth over any form of darkness.


To answer your question: Yes, I believe we should live the gender that we are born. However, what I believe doesn't mean a hill of beans to those who suffer from gender issues. That leaves me with two choices. I can either find a way to show Jesus to them or write them off as unreachable.
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No I do not believe that.

However hermaphrodites are another issue
My thoughts as well
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You didn't actually think I would get on a Christian forum and advocate that God makes mistakes, did you? I'd have so many cyber feet stuck in my backside that I wouldn't be able to walk for weeks!!!


I do, however, think that science will eventually find deficiencies in the brains of those who suffer from deviant behaviours. Even still, those deficiencies would be caused by man's fallen nature, not any mistake on the part of God.

If scientific proof that such deficiencies exist is ever found, us Christians will have an even bigger battle to fight against those who would use the information to discredit the truth of God's Word. Thank God that His Word comes with its own power to shine the light of truth over any form of darkness.


To answer your question: Yes, I believe we should live the gender that we are born. However, what I believe doesn't mean a hill of beans to those who suffer from gender issues. That leaves me with two choices. I can either find a way to show Jesus to them or write them off as unreachable.
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They ARE already waiting, but this bill can make it MORE accessable.

A "transgendered" man can walk into a womans bathroom LEGALLY now and nobody can blow the whistle....in the past that would be a red flag. Now it is legally and officially sanctioned....he just might be in there with a camera taking pictures of someone's little girl.

As he walks out, nobody can stop him. No cop can stop him and question him and check his person out for such things as a camera....because he has a legal right as a "transgendered" individual to go into that bathroom
Does anybody know how big a problem this "IS" in Europe now where they have had unisex restrooms for years?
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Does anybody know how big a problem this "IS" in Europe now where they have had unisex restrooms for years?
I would venture to guess it isn't that big an issue. Christians in America have a tendency to cling to Victorian era attitudes about seeing exposed human flesh.
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I would venture to guess it isn't that big an issue. Christians in America have a tendency to cling to Victorian era attitudes about seeing exposed human flesh.
Yeah I know. I've been working with people that have threw off the Victorian attitudes for years. They are a challenge to lead to Christ because of the American churches Victorian attitiudes about a creation made in God's image.

As much as a supposedly Christian nation that America is, she leads the world in sexually deviant crimes...sad!
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Yeah I know. I've been working with people that have threw off the Victorian attitudes for years. They are a challenge to lead to Christ because of the American churches Victorian attitiudes about a creation made in God's image.

As much as a supposedly Christian nation that America is, she leads the world in sexually deviant crimes...sad!
I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the result of so many years of people believing that sex was dirty and something that shouldn't be talked about openly. Once that wall of silence was broken through in the 60s a flood of sexuality hit this country like a tidal wave. It make take a generation or two for those waters to recede.
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I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the result of so many years of people believing that sex was dirty and something that shouldn't be talked about openly. Once that wall of silence was broken through in the 60s a flood of sexuality hit this country like a tidal wave. It make take a generation or two for those waters to recede.
That may be apart of it, but I think it also involves the lack of skin exposure in non-sexual situations. I've seen Europian style commercials (via you tube and simular services) where they openly use nudity is situations where nudity would be expected (as in a shower for a body wash add) which as I'm told would go out on the TV through the free airwaves. In America, every time we see skin through the media, it's almost always in a sexual context. Although that tide is beginning to change with some of the more recent commercials.

I'm not suggesting that we should all dress immodestly, but if the American society would allow skin to be shown outside of a sexual context maybe we as a whole wouldn't have a skin=sex mindset, thereby moving toward a status where we no longer lead the world in deviant sexual crimes. Of course, that's just my opinion and it's not worth the advertised price of 2cents.
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That may be apart of it, but I think it also involves the lack of skin exposure in non-sexual situations. I've seen Europian style commercials (via you tube and simular services) where they openly use nudity is situations where nudity would be expected (as in a shower for a body wash add) which as I'm told would go out on the TV through the free airwaves. In America, every time we see skin through the media, it's almost always in a sexual context. Although that tide is beginning to change with some of the more recent commercials.

I'm not suggesting that we should all dress immodestly, but if the American society would allow skin to be shown outside of a sexual context maybe we as a whole wouldn't have a skin=sex mindset, thereby moving toward a status where we no longer lead the world in deviant sexual crimes. Of course, that's just my opinion and it's not worth the advertised price of 2cents.
Exactly! Nudity is connected to sexuality constantly, rather than portraying it in its natural place in our lives. A perfect example would be showing people getting into a bed while they are naked. The only time we see naked people getting into or out of a bed in movies and tv shows is when they are going to have sex or waking up the next morning after having sex the night before. Therefore, we get the mindset that the only time we take off our clothes and get into bed is when we are going to have sex. That's the wrong mindset to have.
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